SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[chantaje]

Originally Posted by Walshy

Two films to watch that I recommend The Last Days of Lehman Brothers and Inside Job

inside job is great, ill try to see the other one.
dont worry soon china will take over and there they execute corrupt goverment members

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Good god I hope not. Or heck have it for yourselves, I just hope we stay out of it.

Free men are armed, slaves need permission.

Free men are those of us who are free from the armed.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by pstyle

free men are those of us who are free from the armed.

qft.

[ATAG_Doc]

Just so you can be placed at ease and the discussion can stay civil just make sure that you accept it is what it is today and the free ownership of firearms to its citizens will always be apart of the fabric of the United States. It will not change. It cannot. Its a right that isn't conveyed by a government but before it. A charter of negative liberties that state what they cannot not do. And the right shall not be infringed. So its like a tattoo it isn't going away.

[Sternjaeger II]

I'm sorry Bewolf, but you're sending postcards of wisdom from Utopia.

Your thinking should be valid for armies as well then, right? They're meant to do what they do (defending/attacking) by means of killing other people.

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

As for the kids that find the keys to the locker etc... they're very rare cases, mainly because wise gun owners teach the responsibility and the risks related to firearms to their kids from a very young age.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry Bewolf, but you're sending postcards of wisdom from Utopia.

Your thinking should be valid for armies as well then, right? They're meant to do what they do (defending/attacking) by means of killing other people.

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

As for the kids that find the keys to the locker etc... they're very rare cases, mainly because wise gun owners teach the responsibility and the risks related to firearms to their kids from a very young age.

I suppose most of Europe and lots of places in Asia are indeed Utopia then. And have been for decades, if not centuries. That argument of yours makes me wonder how much you actually know about the world and what amount of brain capacity you put into the question why those differences exist.

No idea how your army argument comes in here or how to understand it, though.
Btw, the right to defend your freedom. In all these debates it is all about right this, right that, like in a store where you pack in what you like best.
But with every right there are responsebilities. You can't claim the one and dismiss the other. And responsebility is something most people shun these days. That starts with "**** the environment as long as I can drive my SUV, i have the RIGHT to be an ass, f*ck the government and the UN!" and ends with the dead guy next door.

Now that is certainly overexxegerated. But if only one person out of ten is irresponsible and it moves to having guns, then this one is already one too many. I am sorry about the 9 others (to whom I also belong, btw, I am actually quite fond of weapons). But having weapons for purely fun reasons, as the defense argument is a self fullfilling prophecy given the huge amounts of weapons availabe on the black market due to the easy to get legal market, is that very same irresponsebility I am talking about.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.

you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..

[BaronBonBaron]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..

Good for her for doing what she did!

"Its better to have a gun and not need it, then to need it and not have it."
Don't think this is true? Well just look at Switzerland.



And on a slightly different note:

On a national level more people in the US then ever are legally buying guns and violent crime is reduced.
And yet Chicago, the city with the strictest handgun laws in the US, now has one of the highest murder rates, and high crime too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.

It doesn't come in such obvious ways. It's incremental and hidden in an unrelated bill. That's how it's done. There will never be a town gathering for re-education and by the way bring your firearm with you thing. That's a fail. It is much more sophisticated than this. But trust me they hate the VOTER and would love not to have to please the electorate. I mean you know they are exempt from the laws they pass don't you? Doesn't that seem a little odd or not? It's the truth they are exempt from their laws.