Freeman

[5./JG27.Farber]

RationalWiki:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

Freemen hold that we are all subject to a massive international legal conspiracy perpetrated for the profit of the elites, but you can hack the system if you just use the right form of words.[2] They believe only in their version of natural law, which they call "common law." In practical terms, they believe this means they do not have to pay taxes, debts, mortgages, etc. because we were all deceived and if you say the right form of words this fact will be accepted.

No freeman arguments have ever succeeded in court; some have even explicitly ruled that the term "freeman on the land" has no legal significance when the argument is raised.[4] Actually using the arguments gets people into worse trouble, including fines, asset seizures, contempt convictions and criminal records. However, this doesn't stop freemen from claiming, without any supporting cases, that the arguments work.

Hmmm... really...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywYkx...watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8wZu...eature=related

[AndyJWest]

Thank you Farber: more material for my research into abnormal psychology.

Tell me, do you actually believe that by saying a few magic words you can absolve yourself from responsibility under the law, as these 'Freemen' seem to be suggesting? And if so, have you said them yourself?

P.S. Driving without insurance or tax is morally reprehensible, and if you think it harms no one you are an idiot. If some a-hole gets away with it, that doesn't make it right.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Thank you Farber: more material for my research into abnormal psychology.

Not a problem always happy to help my communist friend.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Tell me, do you actually believe that by saying a few magic words you can absolve yourself from responsibility under the law, as these 'Freemen' seem to be suggesting? And if so, have you said them yourself?

NO. However some people do think this is a get out jail free card! Its not! To do something like this you must accept ALLOT OF RESPONSABILTY! Allot of people from what I have seen are riding it like a free gravy train. They are perverting it and if anything, if there is any validity, are going to ruin it!

Take this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kScy-...eature=related

He wants to run the new bank of England essentially... Telling us all about Greedy bankers and his secret system to retire legal money to create his own monies uder the guise of saving the people... Fat greedy git!

No I have only had few dealings with police. Ive never needed to have any such dialougue with the peelers.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

P.S. Driving without insurance or tax is morally reprehensible, and if you think it harms no one you are an idiot. If some a-hole gets away with it, that doesn't make it right.

Tax only goes to help the enviroment in no way though... so tax, meh. The actually amount that goes on roads is laughable next to the rest of the payment.

Insurance, yea unless your loaded and are willing to accept FULL RESPONSABILTY! Which most people are not. Most people need the government to look after them. However we should not be taking a rifting to get insured as we are, seeing as how, I have never had an accident on motorcycle or car for pffff? 7 years? Yet they charge you on age, sex etc... Its a scam...



Can you show me the anti-semetic stuff from John Harris's website/forum. I could not find it!


You should actually watch the first post so you have more of an understanding. Then you might be able to engage better. I found the bit about registration quite intriging, resgister means to surrender, in a legal sense apparently, which means you dont own your car the DVLA does, you are the keeper, its all there in you docs.

[AndyJWest]

resgister means to surrender, in a legal sense apparently, which means you dont own your car the DVLA does

I think on the whole I'd rather not take legal advice from a carpenter - particularly one who seems to think the Israelites wrote in Cherokee (see about 10 minutes from the end of the video - I generally find with such stuff if you wan't to get a sense of what it is about, but can't be bothered to watch the lot, watching the end is more useful - as in detective stories, you find out 'who done it')

[WTE_Galway]

Meanwhile in the land of the free you can be arrested for putting on the wrong T-shirt that morning

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/couri...a2386427a.html

[AndyJWest]

Ho hum, stranger and stranger. Farber's 'Freemen' seem to be led by a man who wants to establish "a benign dictator".http://www.tpuc.org/content/what-cou...-%E2%80%98true Now where have we heard that before? Actually, ignoring the more recent examples, he reminds me of nobody so much as Oliver Cromwell in his 'Protectorate' days - with added atheism, and a rather different (if more honest) attitude to democracy, which Cromwell was of course all in favour of until it did something he didn't like.

Of course, the words of this lowly carpenter do sometimes appeal: "Every banker, lawyer, barrister and his or her assets and buildings would be seized in the peoples name. Every bank destroyed". I seem to remember reading about another carpenter getting upset by bankers/moneylenders, though his response was a little more restrained.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I think on the whole I'd rather not take legal advice from a carpenter - particularly one who seems to think the Israelites wrote in Cherokee (see about 10 minutes from the end of the video - I generally find with such stuff if you wan't to get a sense of what it is about, but can't be bothered to watch the lot, watching the end is more useful - as in detective stories, you find out 'who done it')

Ahh yes the Hitler method.

He doesnt say Isralies wrote in cherokee... Your making it up now.

Are you Jewish? You keep bringing them up.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Why the **** do you think I would want to watch it? Anyway, a few minute's Googling reveals that John Harris is just another conspiracy-theorist loon (with, yes, you guessed it, a website with a forum with a smattering of antisemitic drivel amongst all the other zaniness). Still, I recommend everyone to watch the last 5 minutes, when Harris tells us that he wants to shut down the internet. Given the deranged ramblings on this forum, maybe he has a point....

P.S. RationalWiki on Harris: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Harris

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Can you show me the anti-semetic stuff from John Harris's website/forum. I could not find it!

Come on SHOW IT!



The thing is, it wasnt him that found it out. I believe but dont know it was Robert Menard, a Canadian.

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?...edit&redlink=1

[AndyJWest]

He doesnt say Isralies wrote in cherokee... Your making it up now.

Actually no - he says that Cherokee and Hebrew are both based on an ancient Cornish language, my mistake. See his explanation for his symbol, starting from about 1h 49m in the video.

Are you Jewish?

Do I have to dignify that with a response?

Regarding the antisemitic stuff on Harris's forum - I'll find it for you.

And as for Robert Menard (who?), you seem to be linking to an article on RationalWiki that doesn't exist. Are you proposing to write it?


Edit: That didn't take long. Antisemitism on Harris's forum? Would a forum member citing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as 'evidence do? http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic....ewish&start=10 - see the 7th post. And I see the notable loon Lord Monckton gets a look in on the forums too...

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Do I have to dignify that with a response?

Yes please.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Regarding the antisemitic stuff on Harris's forum - I'll find it for you.

Excellant.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

And as for Robert Menard (who?), you seem to be linking to an article on RationalWiki that doesn't exist. Are you proposing to write it?

No, Im not much of a writer.

Robert Menard;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtoFqh2PTUk

[swiss]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Do I have to dignify that with a response?

You seem locked up in a tiny victim room, wearing goggles of paranoia.

Maybe you're just very open minded, then again I expect you to defend the Islam with the same elan the next opportunity you get.