I Refuse To Fly WW2 CoD German Aircraft. Why?

[pencon]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Posting pro-Nazi material and links to holocaust-denial websites does, you clueless troll.

And P.S. I've flown Luftwaffe planes in sims often enough. I can tell simulation from reality. I am also aware that not everyone may feel comfortable associating themselves, even indirectly, with the political regime sponsoring such planes. This is of course an individual ethical choice - one that needs to be considered in the context of a simulation that seems to encourage lunatic-fringe far-right participants to engage in soapboxing to push their vile agenda. In such a context, to say that it is 'just a simulation' and ignore what is going on is quite possibly morally questionable. I suggest that those with any morals ask themselves the question, and make their own decisions.

And I thought you left these forums for good ? Wow you're back already .You wouldn't like the rise of flight forums anyway ,nobody to trade insults with .I think you DO in fact have trouble seperating this Sim from reality .ps Nowhere did I make excuses for or sympathize with nazi tactics or political agenda . I merely like to fly the German planes on this sim .To me this is a video game .To you , it's life or death it seems . I'm so hurt by you calling me a troll .Almost as much as your other over used and tired word - bigot.If you would like to hurl further cliched insults my way I'll brace myself for it ...

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Posting pro-Nazi material and links to holocaust-denial websites does, you clueless troll.

And P.S. I've flown Luftwaffe planes in sims often enough. I can tell simulation from reality. I am also aware that not everyone may feel comfortable associating themselves, even indirectly, with the political regime sponsoring such planes. This is of course an individual ethical choice - one that needs to be considered in the context of a simulation that seems to encourage lunatic-fringe far-right participants to engage in soapboxing to push their vile agenda. In such a context, to say that it is 'just a simulation' and ignore what is going on is quite possibly morally questionable. I suggest that those with any morals ask themselves the question, and make their own decisions.

Who was doing that?

[DD_crash]

OT Yes Britain had an Empire We were the only nation to do this except for in no paticular order
Spain
Portugal
France
Holland
Germany
Italy (twice if you count the Romans)
Austria
No offence to anybody but it seems to me that some feel that only the Brits should feel the need to appologise for their past.

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[kendo65]

Kurfurst, it is a classic sign of someone losing the original argument when they suddenly broaden the context like that. We were talking about causes of WW2 and the respective approaches of Germany / the Allies to bombing strategy.

Now suddenly it's about Britain's colonial past? I am not going to make any attempt at justification for the actions of the colonial regime of that era. I personally despise those attitudes, actions and the weasly get-outs mouthed by some modern-day apologists for them.

But, for Christ's sake take the plank out of your own eye before you start complaining about the speck in other people's!

[winny]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

http://www.executedtoday.com/2011/06...poy-rebellion/

An account from the February 15, 1862 Harper’s Weekly of a very messy spectacle orchestrated to maintain British control of Punjab.


British Concentration Camps




Dresden 1945:

What the f..?

How is this relevant in an argument about the British use of air power during WW2. It isn't. It's an attempt to highlight some nasty British history simply for point scoring and shock factor..

You're pathetic Kurfurst.

If you walked up to me in the street and punched me in the face and then I put you in hospital in return, and you stated moaning that I hurt you, that would, in my book, make you a pussy.

Germany as a nation, at the time had to be shown what war was like

Were German civilians of more value than Russian or Polish civilians?
Nazi Germany had no problems with killing civilians, they were systematic in it.

Just to clarify my position, I spent a lot of time in Munich, I like Germany and in general I like Germans. I don't think bombing civilians is a good thing, I do however understand that sadly that is how the 2nd world war was fought, by all participants.

I didn't really appreciate how badly Germany was hit during WW2 until I noticed all the little plaques on historic buildings that say "rebuilt 1948" or "reconstructed 1950", I felt some sympathy for them, the flip side is whilst I was there I also visited Dachau I felt sympathy for the people who were murdered there too.

You can say what you want about how bad Britain has behaved in the past, it's probably true. That has no effect whatsoever on how they conducted themselves once the idiot that was Adolf Hitler decided that lots of people needed to die because he didn't like them, or because he wanted their resources..

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Uhm, it was Britain who did declare war on Germany, refused German peace offers during the war (several times in fact), and it was Britain who started bombing German cities.

To put it like the poor British were 'forced' to fight back against an agression is pure BS.

They had a choice in the matter. It was the Brits who choose war, and it was the Brits to choose to wage that war by targetting the enemy cities and civillian population itself.

Don't blame it anyone else. Britain was not 'attacked' and Britain was not fighting 'back'. Britain wanted to fight and it wanted to fight in this rather dirty way. At least be a man about it.

Incredible bit of revisionism there. At the very best Hitler's aggression towards Poland could be filed under miscalculation - i.e. Germany attacked with full knowledge of Britain's commitment to come to Poland's aid. Thinking you can get away with your latest subjugation of another country without causing a third party to intervene hardly qualifies for the Nobel Peace prize in my book.

As for 'refusing German peace offers', thank God they did.

Presumably the invasion of Russia in 1941 is another example of peace-loving Germany's harmless intentions - or maybe you can manufacture an alternate history justification for that one too? (and i don't consider 'They were Commies, they had it coming' to be adequate justification)

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Uhm, they didn't. They had quite a serious bomber force and in fact dropped more bombs until about the end of 1943 than the RAF and USAF combined.

The difference was not capacity, but doctrine. Germany did not have 'bomber barons'. They didn't believe in terror bombings unlike Harris, save a small minority in the LW (the most vocal being v. Richthofen). Most of the German leaders, including Hitler and Goering, Speer etc. thought terror bombing is ineffective and wasteful and the bombers are to be used for better effect against the industries and operational bombing (communication and transportation). Moral reasoning hardly played a role, they simply did not believe it was worth it.

One thing that always puzzles me amidst this high-minded moral refusal to stoop to British levels is what the German rationale was for the 'Vengeance' weapons (V1 and especially V2). Well-known for their pin-point accuracy and ability to target enemy industry with precision.

London was only spared devastating levels of destruction and civilian deaths because the Allies targeted the production facilities and launching sites and then over-ran them.

Don't even mention the possibility that they had got the A-bomb first to put atop the V2 or the next generation, but i presume some of you may have actually preferred that outcome to the historical one.

Nothing left to say here.

Too many Nazi apologists here for me as well.