A Question for my fellow COD lovers

[winny]

Originally Posted by kristorf

I don't think being 'outraged by the sequel' is wrong though is it?

All the majority ask is sort the present (and what came in the past), then look to the future.

Possibly to much to ask is it?

It isn't wrong it's just a bit shortsighted.
I think you'll find that the majority want the game fixed, the past is past. Whatever they do to CoD won't fix the last year, so the past is pretty irrelevant.
The future is dependant on getting the game engine sorted, which is what they are doing

If COD gets fixed as a by-product of BoM then that's still the same end result. ie. working game.

1c cannot release BoM unless CoD is working, because that would mean BoM won't work either.

I simply will not buy BoM until it's shown to be working, I think many here share the same thought.

I could understand the 'outrage' if the Devs had come on here and said, we can't fix CoD so we're starting from scratch with BoM, new engine..etc

They didn't though, they said that BoM was the same engine as CoD and that by working on BoM they were also working on CoD.

So by being outraged by the sequel you're basically getting outraged at the fact that the Devs are working to get you a working game.. Strange..? Or petty?

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by winny

It isn't wrong it's just a bit shortsighted.
I think you'll find that the majority want the game fixed, the past is past. Whatever they do to CoD won't fix the last year, so the past is pretty irrelevant.
The future is dependant on getting the game engine sorted, which is what they are doing

If COD gets fixed as a by-product of BoM then that's still the same end result. ie. working game.

1c cannot release BoM unless CoD is working, because that would mean BoM won't work either.

I simply will not buy BoM until it's shown to be working, I think many here share the same thought.

I could understand the 'outrage' if the Devs had come on here and said, we can't fix CoD so we're starting from scratch with BoM, new engine..etc

They didn't though, they said that BoM was the same engine as CoD and that by working on BoM they were also working on CoD.

So by being outraged by the sequel you're basically getting outraged at the fact that the Devs are wotrking to get you a working game.. Strange..? Or petty?

Is it not though the proverbial ever decreasing circle, we won't buy the sequal/add-on/expansion as there are no gaurantees that it will work or fix CLoD, but if we don't buy it there possibly will never be a finished CLoD?

Also, are they working to fix CLoD or are they titbits throw to us until BoM is ready (if ever)??

[winny]

Originally Posted by kristorf

Is it not though the proverbial ever decreasing circle, we won't buy the sequal/add-on/expansion as there are no gaurantees that it will work or fix CLoD, but if we don't buy it there possibly will never be a finished CLoD?

Also, are they working to fix CLoD or are they titbits throw to us until BoM is ready (if ever)??

Yes, it's quite possible that CoD will never get fixed and that BoM will never get released.

But we are the kings of our own destiny on this.

Let's just suppose for a moment that BoM gets released with CoD still not working properly.. Who in their right mind on here is gonna shell out for it?
Not many.

My prediction is that when they are happy with BoM we will get a patch for CoD.
Then BoM will be released.
There is no other logical approach that makes any business sense.

So my original point still stands, if you are angry about the sequel you should probably stop thinking in terms of CoD/BoM and try to see them as one entity with different plane sets and maps.

Like I said before, if the Devs decide to ditch CoD in favour of BoM then getting angry is probably justified. Until that day (which I don't think is gonna happen) The sequel shouldn't really be getting people outraged... It's at the very least a sign that the Devs see a future.

Don't get me wrong, the release of CoD has been a very disappointing experience, but to beat up on the Devs because they are trying to fix it, just not in the way you think they should do it, is pointless.

I have no problem with people being 'outraged' by the whole CoD thing either and am not here to make apologies for the Devs. I just found the reaction to the sequel to be rather knee jerk.

The reality for me is that I will not buy a sequel until CoD is, at the very least heading in the right direction. If everybody on here said the same then I'd have no problems with that. It's the 'why the hell are you working on that instead of fixing this' attitude that I was commenting on.. That and this in this case are the same thing.

Well its got a long way to go before it will drive me away from ROF thats the BEST dogfighting sim at the moment plus they go about the business in a proper manner and its awsome what they have achieved.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Well its got a long way to go before it will drive me away from ROF thats the BEST dogfighting sim at the moment plus they go about the business in a proper manner and its awsome what they have achieved.

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

[addman]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

Well, at least they are putting new content out there. Also, flightsims are even "nichier" than ever before, it's almost a miracle that games like CloD and RoF are still being released. Times are different, majority of PC gamers aren't playing flightsims anymore, it's not the 80's and 90's when the industry was spitting out tons of flightsims all the time. Making games is more costly and resource hungry than ever, I wouldn't even get mad if the RoF team charged for a cigar DLC because I understand that it's not financially viable to release ONE flightsim and expect to make enough money on DVD/digital sales alone to finance the next one, it's not possible.

If you do have some interest in the game industry, since CloD is in fact a game, then you would've noticed the reports from this years E3 was a lot about free to play games. Free to play games dominated this years E3 showfloor. This is the future of games, like it or not. If everybody is charging 40-60€ for a new game and there are a ton of interesting games every month on many different platforms then the competition is ferocious and almost impossible. This is the reason for free to play. Sorry if this became a bit of a long text but as I stated at the beginning, paying for stuff is something you and many others will have to get used to, unless you are willing to pay like 699€/$ for a complete flightsim.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

Yeah but i dont mind paying for things that work Bongo.

[pencon]

Though not perfect , it's working great for me . I mostly fly offline for now and the new patch is working great! No crashes (must be my GTX570) and the FPS is up slightly . I notice the weathering slider is now working and The AI is improved .I love the way they simulated the sputtering , black smoke and flames out the exhausts.The panel lines and weathering are stunning , especially some of the custom skins . For 49 bucks what's to snivel about? Some of you guys need to get some cheese to go with your Whine . By the way the word is WHINING not whingeing as some people like to spell it .And some of you are doing a terrific job of it . I have tons of games that were a dissapointment after I paid $$ for them . When you try to return them the Gaming outlet offers you 2 $ for them . This is not one of those games. This Sim is awesome in my book and like a fine WINE it will only improve with time.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Yeah but i dont mind paying for things that work Bongo.

Strange thing is nor do I, and COD works for me and is making progress with each patch, and I'm sorry for you to say that it works for other people too, are you just simply better than the rest of us that any claims someone like me makes are of no importance? because your toy is broken do you just want everyone else to go without too?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Yeah but i dont mind paying for things that work Bongo.

Yeah this game doesn't work!