Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[Allons!]

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

[tintifaxl]

I bought 2 digital versions (russian and international) as downloads and the collectors edition. I know 2 squadies bought it from Steam. 4:1 for download sales in my experience.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Sorry, I don't get these arguments that the developers are 'buying time' or dragging their feet in any way. Nor do I understand the complaints that they should hold back on work to the sequel until CloD is fully fixed.

They have no doubt generated the bulk of the sales from CloD as it stands and need more revenue to keep developement going. They cannot release a sequel until the code is fixed so the coming patch is an absolute essential priority for them plus any more that may follow. Once the code is fixed and CloD works as it should then the first thing people here will be clamouring for is the next theatre. And wouldn't they be weed off if Luthier then said, 'Ok guys, we'll start work right away so should be done in a year or two or so.'

This way CloD will be fixed as soon as and the sequel will follow as the bulk of the 3D modeling and maps will be done and the engine will be the same.

Hopefully reviews and sales of the sequel will be much better than cloD. You desk pilots will be happy bunnies (yeah right) and future developement will continue as per IL2.

I for one will buy the sequel on release if only to do my tiny bit to keep the whole show rolling along in return for hours of fun.

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Let's hope they pull it off as today I had some memorable moments while playing offline campaign by DS. Taking off in that Bf109E-1 as being in a 2nd line unit and a fresh pilot to fly over Dunkerque, engage fighters and try to survive it all and navigate back home admiring the slowly rising sun and waking up France. CoD has it's moments and I really hope from bottom of my heart that Luthier and his team can save it and make it prosper to East and also towards Mediterranean and beyond

[Allons!]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

Taking off in that Bf109E-1 as being in a 2nd line unit and a fresh pilot to fly over Dunkerque, engage fighters and try to survive it all and navigate back home admiring the slowly rising sun and waking up France. CoD has it's moments and I really hope from bottom of my heart that Luthier and his team can save it and make it prosper to East and also towards Mediterranean and beyond

+1 Flanker but its even nicer in a Bf110

[slick118]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

The point is this. 1C should not be teasing a new product in order to placate the masses, like it's not going to inherit all the same problems that the old one suffers with. It is insulting to the intelligence of a "mostly loyal" customer base and smacks of head in the sand mentality. Imagine if you took your new(ish) car back to the dealership for the umpteenth time so that you could have it fixed, only to discover the manufacturer was already promising a shiny new version, showing off the newly moulded bodywork and so on, with rank disregard for all the current imcumbent's inherent issues.

I just think it is plain rude.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by slick118

Imagine if you took your new(ish) car back to the dealership for the umpteenth time so that you could have it fixed, only to discover the manufacturer was already promising a shiny new version, showing off the newly moulded bodywork and so on, with rank disregard for all the current imcumbent's inherent issues.

I just think it is plain rude.

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old. If I dished out as much for CLoD as I did a new car, you can be sure I'd be crucifying whoever sold me the car. But since a new car here in Norway is at least three digits (we're talking 250 000 NOK compared to.....what, 250 to 300 NOK?) away from the cost of a computergame....meh.

[slick118]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old. If I dished out as much for CLoD as I did a new car, you can be sure I'd be crucifying whoever sold me the car. But since a new car here in Norway is at least three digits (we're talking 250 000 NOK compared to.....what, 250 to 300 NOK?) away from the cost of a computergame....meh.

I did say earlier that I didn't spend much time writing or reading on these boards so apologies for the car comparison.

But you've got to admit the tactic of releasing screenshots from a sequel which will inherit the very same engine is wearing quite thin.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old.

It's all well and good saying that, Fjordmonkey! Now imagine if you had a car analogy that was getting old and other people on the forum started hawking their new and improved car analogies! How would you feel then? eh? EH?

[TheEditor]

MG should have worked on a expansion pack for CloD with new planes, content, SDK... Not be skipping to the Russian front. That's what happens when the devs are mostly Russian.