Friday Official Update, June 22, 2012

[FS~Phat]

Originally Posted by Majo

I do not agree about the language barrier mentioned here.

For many of us English is not our mother language, and still we have to deal with it every day.
You learn rules in order not to put yourself into trouble using a foreign language:
- Think twice before you speak/write.
- Keep it simple. Clear ideas and short sentences.
- Be sincere.

Following these rules, from my experience, will able you to get through with your message above
90% of the time. The 10% left is usually resolved with plain data or images.

Now, please, consider the kind of communications 1C, CloD Management, Luthier, B6, whoever…
has chosen to use with/for the community.

IMHO the language is not the problem, the problem is the message.

Salutes Majo.

Im sorry but you couldnt be more wrong if you tried.
Language and cultural differences are what most of the communication issues are about. Do you think they want the game to fail?? Come on have some common sense.

I just posted this in another thread in relation to the subject of Russian Language and grammar translation to English and I think it's important enough to post here as it serves as a great example. I apologise for the double post but this is important. For those of you that have read it already just skip over it.

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Maybe we finished it in May. But it does not mean that we should immediately release a patch with this elements.

I believe what Blacksix was trying to say was.

Even if we finished it in May it doesnt mean that we should immediately release a patch with only these elements fixed.

Which is perfectly reasonable. (confirmed by B6 below)

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Yes, that's my problem. I don't see any difference between these two phrases. They are translated into Russian the same.
Thanks Phat.

Guys please understand B6 is still learning english and a direct russian translation would lack some of the small important words that we take for granted.
Such as "if" and the context of a sentence can be completely lost in translation.

You guys have used Google to translate before and you know it does the same thing, sometimes it looses context by omitting important words or changing the order of words which has an effect on the meaning. (changing the S-V-O order can have an effect on the meaning in english)

A new english speaker often has this problem.

English and Russian language structure is generally Subject-Verb-Object but Russian language is a lot more flexible with the order, especially in more complex sentence structures.

For example, the sentence "A cat caught a mouse" can be translated into Russian in the following ways: All would be understood by a Russian native speaker to mean the same thing.

1) Кошка поймала мышь.
2) Мышь поймала кошка.
3) Поймала кошка мышь.
4) Кошка мышь поймала.
5) Мышь кошка поймала.
6) Поймала мышь кошка.

However, if we translate those same sentences back to English without an understanding of english (as google has kindly done below) you can see the meaning is completely different.

1) The cat caught the mouse.
2) The mouse has caught the cat.
3) I caught a mouse the cat.
4) The cat caught the mouse.
5) The cat caught the mouse.
6) I caught a mouse the cat.

So its not hard to see that this...
Maybe we finished it in May. But it does not mean that we should immediately release a patch with this elements.

Was probably meant as this...
Even if we finished it in May it doesnt mean that we should immediately release a patch with only these elements fixed.

So in the end we need to give B6 some slack and understanding that not everything he is trying to say will be interpreted the way he has intended.
A lot of you are always looking for the bad angle instead of trying to understand the intent given the translation from Russian to English.

Thanks for the effort B6 we appreciate your efforts especially given English is a new language for you. You are getting much better though so dont let this lot get to you!!

Here's another quick lesson on Russian and why its translations are sometimes perceived as blunt, direct or rude. Russian language doesnt need all the extra padding we use in English.

Some people say that the Russian language can be hard to learn. This is not really true, learning Russian is no harder than learning other languages. The main difficulty for a lot of people is learning the new grammar structure. If you have learnt other languages before you will already be familiar with some of these grammar concepts, such as gender and cases.

In fact, there are many things that make Russian easier to learn than other languages. The key is to use these things to your advantage. Here are some things that make Russian easier.

1. Once you learn the alphabet, you can pronounce almost all words quite accurately. With Russian the pronunciation is normally quite clear from the written form of the word.

2. Russian does not use complicated sentence structures like English. You can normally say exactly what you want with just a few words. For example, in English to be polite we would say something like “can you please pass me the salt”, however in Russian they would say something simpler like “give salt please”. Speaking so directly may even feel unusual for an English speaker, however it is perfectly normal, just add the word ‘please’ to be polite. This makes it easy to say what you want in Russian, and it will probably be correct. Less words also makes listening to people easier, as you can just pick out the important words.

3. Russian uses the case system. Instead of having a strict sentence word order like in English, you just need to change the ends of the nouns. This makes Russian a very expressive language, because you can emphasise a point by changing the order of the words in a sentence. It also helps you understand what people are trying to say.

4. Russian does not use articles. (Like “a” and “the”)

5. Russian has fewer tenses than English. Russian does not bother with the difference between “I was running”, “I had been running”, etc.

Cheers,
Phat.

[BH_woodstock]

@Blacksix,
will the Russian P40 be included in sequel??Any version of the p40 is my favorite plane.Can you show us a screen shot of that?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

@Blacksix,
will the Russian P40 be included in sequel??Any version of the p40 is my favorite plane.Can you show us a screen shot of that?

Woot, come on all we have seen so far is Russian/Red aircraft it's about time we saw the 109F and 190A but I do hope we get the p40

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Woot, come on all we have seen so far is Russian/Red aircraft it's about time we saw the 109F and 190A but I do hope we get the p40

yes indeed, blue content please!

The Ju88 variant was cool though!

[28_Condor]

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

@Blacksix,
will the Russian P40 be included in sequel??Any version of the p40 is my favorite plane.Can you show us a screen shot of that?

+1

[BlackSix]

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

@Blacksix,
will the Russian P40 be included in sequel??Any version of the p40 is my favorite plane.Can you show us a screen shot of that?

No, these planes there were very few. Like the P-39. We are not able to make rare aircraft now. Not enough time and people.
Maybe we'll make Hurricane, but after the release.

And don't ask me about FW-190, please. I can't say.

[He111]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

No, these planes there were very few. Like the P-39. We are not able to make rare aircraft now. Not enough time and people.
Maybe we'll make Hurricane, but after the release.

And don't ask me about FW-190, please. I can't say.

HOLY CRAPE! you guys do need help. Sounds like you have a staff of 4, 1 being the janitor. No wonder you guys are flat out. Modders could help alot I suspect? ..and they're free!

.

[Allons!]

Originally Posted by He111

Modders could help alot I suspect? ..and they're free!

Though partly banned in this forum

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

And don't ask me about FW-190, please. I can't say.

Thank you for the accidental update!

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

No, these planes there were very few. Like the P-39. We are not able to make rare aircraft now. Not enough time and people.
Maybe we'll make Hurricane, but after the release.

And don't ask me about FW-190, please. I can't say.

Okay thanks B6, but from a purely buisness/fiscal perspective surely having a p-39/p-40 would boost the sales of the game in America?