DX9 / XP discussion

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

True, he didn't accuse them of holding us back. Someone else suggested so at a previous point in the thread and there seemed to be such a vibe from that point on. Maybe i should have clarified it better.

Anyway, i was referring to the final patch when i said it's impossible to release it separately depending on DX version. As far as testing ones go, we got a DX10 patch already and now we'll be getting a DX9+DX10 one. From where i'm standing it doesn't seem like DX9 is gobbling up that much of their resources, especially if we take in account that the sim has been semi-playable on DX10 for months, but nearly unplayable on DX9 ever since release.

Another thing to note is that most if not all of the effects in the sim are already coded in DX9. Ammunition impact flashes, hit decals, etc...that's the reason they were disabled in the recent test patch: they are DX9 and the patch was DX10 only.
It's probably cheaper and faster to just optimize them than redo them for a different DX version from scratch.

What i'm trying to say is, not many people think about these things and their ramifications. Complaints are justified in a lot of cases but many don't really take the time to actually see if what they are writing is true or even reasonable, or when they do they don't clearly separate truth, personal speculation and logical deduction, they usually just clump them up altogether in a package of arbitrary, personal truth and expect others to accept it.

That makes it hard to convince others, because honestly the first thing that pops to my mind in such a case is "User X doesn't care enough to present his case, so why should i take it for granted without doubting it? Maybe he's just ranting or maybe he's got something, but i'm not convinced either way."

I'm not referring to you by the way, you're generally a reasonable guy to debate with. I'm referring to the same kind of posts madfish (i think it was him?) describes a few posts up.
Cheers

Very reasonable, Blackdog, and sorry I snapped at you before!

In regards to your last points, the problem with an internet forum is that the moment you take a line (in many cases people see it as black and white; fanboy against 'whiner') the average person's mentality will be to stick to their guns. You have a computer screen as protection and it's very easy to maintain a level of stubbornness within debate. That's what we see everyday on these forums: unreasonable debate from people that, in real life, would most likely understand your own point of view if you were to partake in direct conversation. The element of 'I'm right, you're wrong' underpins all of these topics, and really it is getting repetitive now.

The ambiguity of the game's future and current standing doesn't help, either.

Bottom line is that if the final patch isn't released within a few weeks, and any exciting news isn't published within a month, I can't see there being much interesting debate at all around here.

[Mysticpuma]

Another patch update and this came to mind:

[ATAG_Dutch]

And this, but I have no idea why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

And this, but I have no idea why.

More like this Dutch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBPGZEVRH0

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[kristorf]

[HeavyHemi]

Might be of some interest here...it is finally beginning... updated today...

A Steam client update is now available. To apply the update, click the Steam menu inside of Steam and then select "Check for Steam Client Updates...". The specific changes include:

- Added warning message for users on XP SP1 or lower, support will be dropped August 31th 2012.

[addman]

Originally Posted by HeavyHemi

Might be of some interest here...it is finally beginning... updated today...

A Steam client update is now available. To apply the update, click the Steam menu inside of Steam and then select "Check for Steam Client Updates...". The specific changes include:

- Added warning message for users on XP SP1 or lower, support will be dropped August 31th 2012.

Unfortunately that was only a Steam client update, nothing to do with the game.

[_YoYo_]

Originally Posted by addman

Unfortunately that was only a Steam client update, nothing to do with the game.

But If Steam will not work as client on XP (any problem/bug on client) You will not run any Steam game.
1C waste of your time with DX9! I hope in this Friday we will have the new:

- clouds
- smokes
- AI
- communications
- some of changes from bugtracker with avionics/CEM/FM.

ect.
For 92% of community according of poll its waste of time, so please dont put again "very soon".

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by _YoYo_

But If Steam will not work as client on XP (any problem/bug on client) You will not run any Steam game.

XP SP1 is not the same as XP in general. XP SP2 gave lots of updates and security updates so they will be simply moving to the more secure version. Like requiring windows updates in order to run. XP itself will still be supported.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by HeavyHemi

Might be of some interest here...it is finally beginning... updated today...

A Steam client update is now available. To apply the update, click the Steam menu inside of Steam and then select "Check for Steam Client Updates...". The specific changes include:

- Added warning message for users on XP SP1 or lower, support will be dropped August 31th 2012.

Good news!