Diesel exhausts do cause cancer, says WHO

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

True, but it is fun to exchange opinions nevertheless, in good or competetive spirit.

Agreed 100%

And if everyone realized that..

Than there would be no one here getting upset..

Yet there are those who do

Which leads me to belive they actually 'belive' they are 'doing' more than exchanging opinions in a good or competitive spirit!

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That aside, the world won't get rid of the combustion engine anytime soon.

If ever

Originally Posted by Bewolf

But a start towards more efficient methods has to be made eventually.

If someone does, be sure the market will than make the move..

Where as the government forcing the move only makes for false fixes

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Combustion engines are terribly ineffective.

Well until that day than..

Live Long and Prosper!

[Kongo-Otto]

Oh Diesel fumes cause lung cancer, really? *lights his next cigarette*
Shocking first world problems.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Oh Diesel fumes cause lung cancer, really? *lights his next cigarette*
Shocking first world problems.

lol

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Agreed 100%

And if everyone realized that..

Than there would be no one here getting upset..

Yet there are those who do

Which leads me to belive they actually 'belive' they are 'doing' more than exchanging opinions in a good or competitive spirit!

Takes a while to see though people on the internet without a way to watch their expressions and gestics in person. Hell, it took me a while, hehe.

If ever

It is inevitable. Natural ressources are not infinite. "When" is debateable, the eventuality is not.
And as said before, combustion engines are way too ineffective. Two thirds of the energy in petrol is completly wasted. Thrown away for nothing.

If someone does, be sure the market will than make the move..

Where as the government forcing the move only makes for false fixes

That is a too dogmatic approach to market rules and too short sighted.
The market only reacts when under pressure and the development takes years, if not decades. We are in an ecomic downturn and still prices as oil are high as hardly ever before. Imagine what happens when the global demand rises again? And that situation won't get better anymore, as oil is ever harder to come by, and as such ever more expensive as well. When the day comes you better already have an alternative handy instead of only starting development then.

Btw, a curious tidbit, Gulf (=oil exporting) nations are heavly investing in renewables.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It is inevitable. Natural ressources are not infinite

Well not limiting myself ot natural ressources..

As I noted earlier, they are doing some neat stuff with algae to produce diesel..

If they can make that process work with salt water.. than the we won't have to worry for a very long time..

If it it limited to fresh water, well than it is a nogo from the getgo.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Well not limiting myself ot natural ressources..

As I noted earlier, they are doing some neat stuff with algae to produce diesel..

If they can make that process work with salt water.. than the we won't have to worry for a very long time..

If it it limited to fresh water, well than it is a nogo from the getgo.

Nothing against investments in Diesel producing algae, can't hurt to have more "alternatives", though if you are pro investements in this department, then why not in others as well? Especially if they are more energy efficient and thus cheaper in the long run?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Nothing against investments in Diesel producing algae, can't hurt to have more "alternatives", though if you are pro investments in this department, then why not in others as well? Especially if they are more energy efficient and thus cheaper in the long run?

I am all for investment in alternatives in the form of research..

In that MOST adults here understand that there is no such thing as pure capitalism or pure communism/socialism..

Which explains why you will see capitalism 'governments' like the US taking tax dollars and spending it on said research instead of only the market place spending on said research in a pure capitalism system..

Where I draw the line is when the government takes this 'research' and forces these alternatives into/onto the market place..

In that it does not solve the problem, if anything it distorts it!

Ethanol is a perfect example of that kind of boondoggle

In that there should be a point that after the research is done

If the 'product' can not stand on it's own in the market place without subsidies from the goverment

Than said product should be dropped

[raaaid]

i turned off a job offer for biodiesel

personal responsabilty of not stealing the poor

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Originally Posted by raaaid

i turned off a job offer for biodiesel

personal responsabilty of not stealing the poor

LOL

Let me guess..

Your going to make a SAVE THE POOR ALGAE T-shirt?

Stick to your dreams raaaid.. that is what you do best!

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

If the 'product' can not stand on it's own in the market place without subsidies from the goverment

Than said product should be dropped

Including US farming?