Man Made Global Warming

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

No. Private insurance is simply pooling of risk by a group that has a common interest to minimize it. You don't understand competitive market theory, obviously. No one is forcing you to buy it and bump up those evil profit margins. Health insurance could be as competitive as auto insurance, if allowed. But I guess you would rather sponge. Get your low income exemption. Have others foot the bill for your gluttony and ignoramus lifestyle. Eating your food stamp twinkies and cupcakes all day. Then when your day of diabetes approaches, you expect the other guy to pay for it. Mandating that I buy into the government program or go to jail. How truly pathetic.

What does this have to do with climate change?? And I thought personal attacks were against the forum rules?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

What does this have to do with climate change?? And I thought personal attacks were against the forum rules?

it is another example of socialist wealth transfer scheme and damage to individual freedom. we await the supreme court decision this obummer-summer.

let the twinkies and cupcakes speak for themselves. "You/your" in this context is a language device, obviously. i don't know titan personally, just what he espouses.

[_OD_]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

it is another example of socialist wealth transfer scheme and damage to individual freedom. we await the supreme court decision this obummer-summer.

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by _OD_

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

fyi, we already have medicare and medicaid wealth transfer scheme in usa for long time. obummer care is an attempt to make us more euro style/socialized, so what I am espousing is that you don't put me in jail because I don't want to pay the lazy fat asses down the street health care because they are too fricken lazy to get a job. many "progressives" are milking the system for all it is worth, often living a glutton lifestyle. when we work in the usa, we pay into the system. its called fica taxes at the national level. those fica revenues go to social security and medicare schemes. a return of those revenues is not guaranteed to the payor. it is by definition a wealth redistribution/transfer.

sure, all men are created equal, but that doesn't imply a free ride. Also, you euros seem to view money as being rich. sure that is true, but some of us in usa view freedom as being rich and more important than money. the money follows from the freedom. it is a byproduct of your work. it should generally not be confiscated to support the deadbeat, lazy, unproductive, irresponsible. Yes, it is taxed to support the general welfare/public good as per the constitution (e.g., national defense, roads, etc.). but "guaranteed" healthcare for everyone is not part of that public good. i hate to break it to you, we aren't supposed to live forever. life isn't always fair. the dingo took the baby.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by _OD_

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

He is what us educated refer to as an ignorant redneck!!

[=CfC= Father Ted]

Originally Posted by _OD_

This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

Because it stops you trying. This is the core of the right wing credo. (**** me, but here I go...) In the UK during the 80's we had a right-wing government which systematically destroyed public services. Their idea was that if the NHS and state education were bad enough, then people would look elsewhere. In order to do this, people needed to earn more money - ie work harder. Plus the economy would be boosted by people paying for said healthcare and education.

[chantaje]

it always make me wonder when citizens of the US speak against "aid the poor" politics using the reason that it waste money.

they never mention military spénding (i know im generalizing and generalizing its bad logic),
that really intrigues me, becouse after all its not for the money. if it was they would go 1st for the military $$$$

[MadBlaster]

fyi federal budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

note: 19% defense, 20% social security, 23% medicare/medicaid

The state and local governments also have significant budget dollars going to social welfare programs (e.g., unemployment insurance). Also, all the various charitable organizations (e.g., churches)

Really, being poor in usa is probably quite different than your expectations. Many "poor" in usa have good roof over there heads, food source, modern day appliances...etc. For the homeless, there are shelters and the cities usually accommodate their needs in some fashion. No one is starving to death here. There's actually a whole industry of professional panhandlers that pull scam and make a lot of money by playing the homeless sympathy card. They dress up in crappy clothes with a sign and stand by the freeway everyday and get tax-free monies that they don't report to the IRS. Some make thousands of dollars!

Now ask yourself, that 20% going to defense spending. Do you really think it is just going to defend the USA? Who is getting a free ride on that?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by chantaje

it always make me wonder when citizens of the US speak against "aid the poor" politics using the reason that it waste money.

they never mention military spénding (i know im generalizing and generalizing its bad logic),
that really intrigues me, becouse after all its not for the money. if it was they would go 1st for the military $$$$

What// We only spend like 800 BILLION a year. Dont all countries spend that much.....