Bombers, twin-engined and multi-crewed aircraft: Issues and suggestions.

[Blackdog_kt]

Kodoss - Thanks for the feedback, i'll try to compile them into the list in the next couple of days.

Doggles - I've also posted links to this thread on the ATAG and simHQ forums. Let's see if we can gather up some more help.

Everyone else - Shameless bump. I can sticky my own thread if i want to, but it's lacking in taste/manners a bit i think
So just tell everyone you know that flies bombers about this thread and let's get to identifying everything that needs fixing. If we do get enough interest, i'll sticky and maybe move it to a more appropriate section.

Thanks for your help everyone.

[Kodoss]

Type: Modeling error

Aircraft: Bf-110

Description: Missing variants equipped with DB601N engines. According to data presented by other forum users, half or more of the Bf110 fleet during the battle of Britain was equipped with DB601N engines and higher octane fuel, making them some of the fastest aircraft in the theater. Currently the variants are missing. If they were indeed so numerous, it would be a proper addition to have the N-powered variants in the sim.

Tested: Not myself, other report that the in-game 110s don't conform to N standard.

Workarounds: N/A.

Additional Information: Anyone with relevant documentation on the issue is welcome to provide information, WITHOUT however turning this into an 80-page FM debate like the RAF 100 octane threads.

Regarding 100 OCT fuel in the Book "Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210, Me 410" from Mankau/Petrick is some interresting text about this.
Looks like 4 groups of Bf 110 and one group of Bf 109 had DB 601N engines.

I will try to translate the according text and post it in the Bf 110 Bug fest threat.
With that I hope to keep your threat as clean as possible.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Type: Bug report


Aircraft: Br.20


Description: Only magnetic compas is working


Tested: Yes, but in a previous version


Workarounds: N/A

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Regarding 100 OCT fuel in the Book "Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210, Me 410" from Mankau/Petrick is some interresting text about this.
Looks like 4 groups of Bf 110 and one group of Bf 109 had DB 601N engines.

I will try to translate the according text and post it in the Bf 110 Bug fest threat.
With that I hope to keep your threat as clean as possible.

Thanks a lot for your research.

[rga]

Type: Suggestion


Aircraft: every bombers


Description: currently, players flying bomber have to do the workload of at least two people: pilot and navigator, in certain situations bombadier, gunners, spotters and flight engineer as well. IRL, multi-crew bombers enjoyed the team work of the whole crew.


Tested: N/A


Workarounds: Simulating the working environment inside the bomber by adding certain commands for the crew. For example:
- Bombadier: turning on/off the running commentary function, which automatically activates within 10km from the target (visual range). Bombardier will constantly tell the skipper to steer left or right, or keep height and airspeed when these two vary too much. Also bombadier will comfirm the effect of impacts.
- Navigator: commands to inform pilot of 1. current position, 2. direction to the next waypoint, 3. time to the next waypoint, 4. maximal flying time left
- Gunner: commands to scan the sky or the ground. Also commands to track the movement of the closest contact (like: fighter, unidentified, 6 o'clock, closing). All commands should be able to be given to individual gunner.

All information should not be always correct. For example, gunner can lose contact of enemy fighter hiding under the fuselage, or navigator can make wrong calculations.

Additional Information: Modders already did this in IL-2

[Blackdog_kt]

rga: Great idea, i just added it to the list.

Kodoss: i haven't forgotten about your 110 research, i'm just running a bit low on time at the moment to format and add them all. The reason i need some more time is because i want to sit down and do all of the 110 reports together, so that they appear in sequence in the list.

Keep the feedback coming everyone

[JG4_Bendwick]

all this thinks are realy nessesary.thx Blackdog for post.
i hope they see this . S!

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Great thread Blackdog and as you said with the FM's and major performance issues aside it's time to bring these twins to the front of the line for "maintenance"

Br. 20 information is hard to come by and I have yet to find the engine limits or flight procedures from the internet. We need a flight manual

More to come...