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Old 06-08-2012, 10:42 PM
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Of course, I got my elevation from an aeronautical information site.

Look under METAR and be advised it changes with conditions. It will vary from 597-600 depending on which site you check.

Here it is 600 today:

http://www.checkwx.com/wxmain/fullsite/EGKB

Sorry Crumpp but this is nonsense and if you are a commercial pilot you'd know it, an airfields official elevation is fixed and defined according to an average sea level in 'official' aeronautical publications not some obscure hobby website, MDA's and DA's are based on threshold elevation and are defined to individual feet, you 'do not' have variable MDA's or DA's according to Wx changes, next time a real pilot lets you look at a Jeppessen approach plate you will see what I mean, having flown a Learjet45 in and out of Biggin Hill on countless occasions due to the company I worked for being based there I believe I can make comment.

BTW EGKB's official elevation is 599 feet as defined in the UK AIP and official charts

linky..... http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-05-31.pdf
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Old 06-08-2012, 11:26 PM
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BTW EGKB's official elevation is 599 feet as defined in the UK AIP and official charts
Really???

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Current Weather
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Current Temp 12°C (54°F)
Dewpoint 7°C (45°F)
Humidity 72%
Altimeter 29.68"Hg
Sea Level Pressure 1005mb
Field Elevation 600.39'
http://www.checkwx.com/wxmain/fullsite/EGKB

There is a reason why you have to listen to the current weather!!

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Old 06-08-2012, 11:30 PM
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http://www.checkwx.com/wxmain/fullsite/EGKB

There is a reason why you have to listen to the current weather!!

Yeah and it isn't to find out airfield elevation.

and as usual you display your complete immunity to actual provided evidence to an argument, I linked the the page directly to the UK AIP aerodrome chart for Biggin hill and you still insist that airfield elevation is deffined in a hobby website, next time you look at an official METAR tell me if you see any reference to airfield elevation.
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Old 06-08-2012, 11:39 PM
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Country United Kingdom
ICAO ID EGKB
Time UTC 0(+1DT)
Latitude 51.330833 - 51° 19' 51.00" N
Longitude 0.032500 - 000° 01' 57.00" E
Elevation 598 feet/182 meters
Type Civil
Magnetic Variation 002° W (01/06)
Operating Agency CIVIL GOVERNMENT, (LANDING FEES AND DIPLOMATIC CLEARANCE MAY BE REQUIRED)
Operating Hours SEE REMARKS FOR OPERATING HOURS OR COMMUNICATIONS FOR POSSIBLE HOURS
International Clearance Status Airport of Entry
Daylight Saving Time Last Sunday in March to last Sunday in October

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=UK47672
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Country United Kingdom
ICAO ID EGKB
Time UTC 0(+1DT)
Latitude 51.330833 - 51° 19' 51.00" N
Longitude 0.032500 - 000° 01' 57.00" E
Elevation 598 feet/182 meters
Type Civil
Magnetic Variation 002° W (01/06)
Operating Agency CIVIL GOVERNMENT, (LANDING FEES AND DIPLOMATIC CLEARANCE MAY BE REQUIRED)
Operating Hours SEE REMARKS FOR OPERATING HOURS OR COMMUNICATIONS FOR POSSIBLE HOURS
International Clearance Status Airport of Entry
Daylight Saving Time Last Sunday in March to last Sunday in October

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=UK47672
598 feet is out of date data and is from a 2006 deffinition, check the link I provided from the UK official aeronautical publication, even the airports own site is using the out of date for some odd reason.

http://www.bigginhillairport.com/wp-...unway-plan.pdf
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Old 06-09-2012, 04:25 AM
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Lmao!!!

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Lmao!!!

Oh boy that's desperate, laught it up Walt.

ever wondered why elevations are given as (AMSL) above mean sea level, and not above variable hourly datum
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http://www.checkwx.com/wxmain/fullsite/EGKB

There is a reason why you have to listen to the current weather!!


Pilot obtains the field elevation from official publications. Charts being by far, the most common method used.
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Sorry Crumpp but this is nonsense and if you are a commercial pilot you'd know it, an airfields official elevation is fixed and defined according to an average sea level in 'official' aeronautical publications not some obscure hobby website, MDA's and DA's are based on threshold elevation and are defined to individual feet, you 'do not' have variable MDA's or DA's according to Wx changes, next time a real pilot lets you look at a Jeppessen approach plate you will see what I mean, having flown a Learjet45 in and out of Biggin Hill on countless occasions due to the company I worked for being based there I believe I can make comment.

BTW EGKB's official elevation is 599 feet as defined in the UK AIP and official charts

linky..... http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-05-31.pdf
Just curious....


I couldn't get to that link, it gave me 404 (page not found)

I did find this though:
http://www.bigginhillairport.com/wp-...unway-plan.pdf

EDIT: I just saw your last bongodriver but out of curiosity.....

Where do the following fit into this discussion concerning 'the correct' Altimeter setting:-
Apron 600 feet
Height in feet above AD ( 68 )
AMSL 666 feet
Threshold elevations 517 (21), 586 (03, 11) and 598 (29)
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:11 AM
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Airfield elevations are NOT affected by Temp and pressure. As Bongodriver states they are fixed and come from surveyed state data ... every Professional aviator knows this !
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