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[bongodriver]

you take some ppl and their inventions and make them the creators of the applications derived of those

No....I said Dunne invented the swept wing and just mentioned HP had the patent on the slats Messershmitt used, it seems you are the one making stuff up.

it is all about is brining new inventions together to really create something never seen before.

Neither swept wing or slats were that 'new', it's just nobody else was in such a hurry to design new things to rampage across the globe murdering people.

So, where is the jet fighter Dunne's created to actually make use of swept wings?

Dunnes work was research into stability not high speed flight.

Exactly what it said. You complain about the content of this thread and it not beeing interesting enough? Do not read it then. Or contribute a bit more constructivly. At least Ace, Tools and me put more into this thread then just ranting and offending.

Oh I am terribly sorry Mr Bewolf Sir......I didn't read the sign on the door that this was a closed club, yes constructive contributions like 'history is written by the winners blah blah', I shall strike my mention of the inventor of the swept wing J.W. Dunne as complete spam and historically innacurate and as for automatic slats.....well everybody knows anything automatic could never be a British design.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

No....I said Dunne invented the swept wing and just mentioned HP had the patent on the slats Messershmitt used, it seems you are the one making stuff up.

What stuff do I make up?

Neither swept wing or slats were that 'new', it's just nobody else was in such a hurry to design new things to rampage across the globe murdering people.

True, the british had no need for that in India, Iraq and Africa when they came down on uprisings and rebellions against their empire. Or their bomber campaigns against civilians.
You want to continue this line of argument?

Dunnes work was research into stability not high speed flight.

So what is your point? Tools and Ace are talking swept wings in the high speed department.

Oh I am terribly sorry Mr Bewolf Sir......I didn't read the sign on the door that this was a closed club, yes constructive contributions like 'history is written by the winners blah blah', I shall strike my mention of the inventor of the swept wing J.W. Dunne as complete spam and historically innacurate and as for automatic slats.....well everybody knows anything automatic could never be a British design.

That is what WIki says about slats (funnily enough, I just wanted to check what british company invented the patent later bought by Messerschmitt to support your point)

Slats were first developed by Gustav Lachmann in 1918. A crash in August 1917, with a Rumpler C aeroplane on account of stalling caused the idea to be put in a concrete form, and a small wooden model was built in 1917 in Cologne. In 1918, Lachmann presented a patent for leading edge slats in Germany. However, the German patent office at first rejected it as the office did not believe in the possibility of increasing lift by dividing the wing.[4][5]

Independently of Lachmann, Handley-Page Ltd in Great Britain also developed the slotted wing as a way to postpone stall by reducing the turbulence over the wing at high angles of attack, and applied for a patent in 1919; to avoid a patent challenge, they reached an ownership agreement with Lachmann. That year a De Havilland D.H.9 was fitted with slats and flown.[6] Later a D.H.4 was modified as a monoplane with a large wing fitted with full span leading edge and back ailerons (ie what would later be called flaps) that could be deployed in conjunction with the leading edge slats to test improved low speed performance.[7] Several years later, having subsequently taken employment at the Handley-Page aircraft company, Lachmann was responsible for a number of aircraft designs, including the Handley Page Hampden.

[bongodriver]

What stuff do I make up?

In that you take some ppl and their inventions and make them the creators of the applications derived of those

This.

True, the british had no need for that in India, Iraq and Africa when they came down on uprisings and rebellions against their empire. Or their bomber campaigns against civilians.
You want to continue this line of argument?

Yeah those awfull Brits, if only they had followed the example of the other colonising Nations in the days of colonialism which was from a completely different age with different moralities, still the Jerries came along and showed us how it 'should' be done in a typically efficient way.

So what is your point? Tools and Ace are talking swept wings in the high speed department.

I'm not making a point, you were the one that asked why dunne didn't make a high speed swept wing.

That is what WIki says about slats (funnily enough, I just wanted to check what british company invented the patent later bought by Messerschmitt to support your point)

I hope you paid attention tho the fact I never said slats were a British invention, I merely mentioned Messershmitts slats were a HP patent.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah those awfull Brits, if only they had followed the example of the other colonising Nations in the days of colonialism which was from a completely different age with different moralities, still the Jerries came along and showed us how it 'should' be done in a typically efficient way.

You are aware that the Empire was Old Adis personal inspiration for a Greater Germany?

I'm not making a point, you were the one that asked why dunne didn't make a high speed swept wing.

So, why then did you bring him in? There were paper planes with swept wings before Dunne.

I hope you paid attention tho the fact I never said slats were a British invention, I merely mentioned Messershmitts slats were a HP patent.

And there I thought you implied it was a british invention. Which I thought, too, btw, before checking Wiki.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

wow.. It took me and tools a week of back and fourth to generate a page.. You two have generated 3 in less than 30 min!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

wow.. It took me and tools a week of back and fourth to generate a page.. You two have generated 3 in less than 30 min!

Observe and learn, Ace ; )
I need a beer now.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Make mine a double!

[bongodriver]

Let me specify. Dead end for high performance fighter aircraft.

Honestly the 262 would have been better off with the british engines mounted in a similar way, sure they were a bit fatter but they were more reliable and produced alot of power, the Meteor was no slouch, it took some time before axial flow compressors became particularily good, whereas the centrifugal compressor is unchanged to this day

No? The Russians and the Japanese had quite some fun before WW2 in this regard.
Or do you, in typical anglo saxon manner, consider Britian "the rest of the world"?

Local incursions hardly constitute world war and Japan ended up as part of the Axis anyway.
Anglo Saxon....isn't the Saxon part from Germany anyway? does that mean were the same?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Honestly the 262 would have been better off with the british engines mounted in a similar way, sure they were a bit fatter but they were more reliable and produced alot of power, the Meteor was no slouch, it took some time before axial flow compressors became particularily good, whereas the centrifugal compressor is unchanged to this day

Agreed to a point. Back then Axial did not provide much improvement over Centrifugals, centrifugals also being less complex.
Then again the problems the Jumos had were not down to construction or design, but lack of heat resisting materials. The Jumo Prototypes had a much longer service life and produced more thrust compared to the production models.

Local incursions hardly constitute world war and Japan ended up as part of the Axis anyway.

Local Incursions? like Japan in China? Russia in Finland? Germany in Poland?
What made this war another affair was the France and the UK did not declare war on Japan, nor Russia, but Germany alone.

Anglo Saxon....isn't the Saxon part from Germany anyway? does that mean were the same?

The Angel part, too. And indeed you will notice that folks from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and northern Germany are pretty much the same.

[bongodriver]

You are aware that the Empire was Old Adis personal inspiration for a Greater Germany?

Yes?......

So, why then did you bring him in? There were paper planes with swept wings before Dunne.

Because I want to glorify the Brits as much as I can, I'm nearly out of breath from the frantic waving of my union flag here.

And there I thought you implied it was a british invention. Which I thought, too, btw, before checking Wiki.

I knew it wasn't entirely, note it was a simultaneous and coincidental discovery between HP and Lachmann, I just thought it very relevant to mention it being an HP design that Messershmitt used.