Man Made Global Warming

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

You seem fairly intelligent, maybe you will change your mind someday.

Are you intelligent enough to change your mind? Are you intelligent enough to actually look at the evidence presented by the only people with any expertise in the subject? Or are you happy to continue believing that you know the 'truth', and don't need to actually see if you are right?

[jimson8]

The whole problem whether man made climate change is real or not is that it has been jumped on by leftists who seem to be determined to use the issue as a vehicle for some sort of global social justice wealth transfer.

The fact is there are no practical energy sources available or on the horizon that can replace fossil fuels. If you think the answer is for the west to deindustrialize then welcome us all to 3rd world status as I doubt you are ever going to get China to go along.

If you really want to get American "hillbillies" on board, you need to change your approach.

Frame it as a patriotic national security issue. "Every tank of gas you buy provides a Muslim terrorist with a weapon"

Stop trying to Europeanize America.

Make alt energy cars we would want to drive, like big trucks and SUV's. Yes you will have to give up on peak efficiency but that's better than trying to force us into little ugly Prius cars.

Make some cool alt energy retro 65 Mustangs and 57 Chevy's.

Like it or not, people in Phoenix will never be willing to roast with less air conditioning to be martyrs on the altar of global warming.

[AndyJWest]

Stop trying to Europeanize America.

This isn't an American issue - it is a global one. This isn't a 'leftist' issue, it is a scientific one. You're probably right about the link between terrorism and 'gas' though - the West (and the US in particular) has done much to create the sort of conditions where terrorism thrives through repeated military interventions, support for autocratic regimes, and other acts designed to ensure future oil supplies - not that it has actually succeeded.

[jimson8]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

This isn't an American issue - it is a global one. This isn't a 'leftist' issue, it is a scientific one. You're probably right about the link between terrorism and 'gas' though - the West (and the US in particular) has done much to create the sort of conditions where terrorism thrives through repeated military interventions, support for autocratic regimes, and other acts designed to ensure future oil supplies - not that it has actually succeeded.

Whatever, if you want America to lead then you need to change your approach because what you are doing now isn't working.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by jimson8

Whatever, if you want America to lead then you need to change your approach because what you are doing now isn't working.

I don't want America to lead. It is too late for that - I'd like them to at least attempt to try to catch up with the rest of the world. And for the umpteenth time, this isn't about America. This is a global issue. The climate doesn't recognise borders. We all share the same atmosphere. If we could build a giant impermiable bubble around the US, and let them choke on their own fumes. It might improve the situation, but for now we'll have to learn to cooperate. (Or swim... )

[ACE-OF-ACES]

All I know is if my SUV got the mileage this 'man made global warming' myth got there would be no problems in the world!

[pencon]

What you want doesn't matter Andy . Your opinions are irrelevant and mean very little.

[MadBlaster]

What you really should be worried about AJW is the possibility of global depression. This is a risk that actually exists and can be quantified. Last week, Bill Gross made some statements. You might want to go to PIMCO website and read his latest. PIMCO going bond vigilante. it's getting serious. Nobody is worrying about false gods right now.

[jimson8]

For the umpteenth time it doesn't matter whether it is a global issue or not, if you consider America to be the biggest problem, then she will have to be on board if you want a solution.

You aren't going to get there by repeatedly calling us stupid rednecks.

You want us to reduce the use of fossil fuels then find another way to motivate, because your approach isn't working, is it?