Man Made Global Warming

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Degree in mathematical sciences. Not that it matters. Even a poet can understand the scientific process.

Well then look up the climate-gate scandal and tell me there hasn't been a major cock-up by the so called experts you vociferiously are defending. Commendable for yourself but the figures have been proven to be FLAWED ..........................

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Walshy

Well then look up the climate-gate scandal and tell me there hasn't been a major cock-up by the so called experts you vociferiously are defending. Commendable but the figures have been proven to be FLAWED ..........................

I'm familiar with "climategate". The scientists were vindicated in a review. The planet was so impressed that the last 12 months were the hottest recorded since we started keeping records.

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I'm familiar with "climategate". The scientists were vindicated in a review. The planet was so impressed that the last 12 months were the hottest recorded since we started keeping records.

Actually those figures have recently changed as well as the period from 1920-1930 beat the records for the 1990's as the hottest years ........

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Walshy

Actually those figures have recently changed as well as the period from 1920-1930 beat the records for the 1990's as the hottest years ........

And yet the world's glaciers continue to disappear...

[Helrza]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

And yet the world's glaciers continue to disappear...

Here's somthing that cracks me up about the glaciers melting theory. It was slammed all over the papers and news that the resulting catastrophy of these melting glaciers would result in most of the pacific islands dissapearing under the ocean by several feet by 2010... even meters, as a result of the melt... yet they are still there..... but yes, the average water height has lifted by a mear 1.2mm.......... poor islanders.

Walshy does have a point about the temperature records. Our temp records only go back about the last 100 - 110 years or so. And even things you hear like average temps breaking records made in 1970's, or 1950's, or even longest consecutive days at high temps not beating 1908 records, certainly does put things into prospective and make you ask if it is true or not.

[Helrza]

Originally Posted by Helrza

Here's somthing that cracks me up about the glaciers melting theory. It was slammed all over the papers and news that the resulting catastrophy of these melting glaciers would result in most of the pacific islands dissapearing under the ocean by several feet by 2010... even meters, as a result of the melt... yet they are still there..... but yes, the average water height has lifted by a mear 1.2mm.......... poor islanders.

MY GOD! i just fugured it out...... they arnt melting! their evaporating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blakduk]

This has got to be the most pointless thread that's been allowed on this forum. People cant even agree how to measure 'True airspeed' vs 'Indicated airspeed', or even whether or not 100octane was used throughout fighter command by the RAF in summer 1940, and yet we have a vitriolic argument raging about a planetary ecosystem

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

And yet the world's glaciers continue to disappear...

Yes I'm not disputing that, they are retreating, indeed they are, but the doom and gloom mongerers are blaming man for it when there are too many other factors in the whole equation that are also contributing to the retreat. Solar activity has increased in the last twenty years, flares and sunspots, I'm an amatuer astronomist, a member of a club in fact and it's a fact that solar activity has increased in output. The pendulum will swing the other way and fluctation cycle continues. The glacial period we are currently in, yes I said glacial period as a "glacial period" is signified by having a polar ice cap on both poles, is currently experiencing a warming phase. The warming at the end of the last maximum extant was dramatic and pronounced so much so that the north sea that separates the island of Great Britain from the rest of the continent, the flooding of Doggerland, has been postulated to happening within four or five generations by archeologists studying that period. So the warming we are experiencing now is small fry compared to that sudden and very dramatic climate change ......................

[AndyJWest]

The opinions of those on this thread are irrelevant. The scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is occurring, and that it will have serious consequences. All the crap about 'conspiracies' and 'cover ups' won't change that one iota. Either the scientists are wrong, or the crackpots. I know who I'd put my money on...

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

The opinions of those on this thread are irrelevant. The scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is occurring, and that it will have serious consequences. All the crap about 'conspiracies' and 'cover ups' won't change that one iota. Either the scientists are wrong, or the crackpots. I know who I'd put my money on...

Andy scientific consenus on anthropogenic climate change took a bullet to the head, common parlance (joke) , with the climate gate scandal and they've been treading water and trying to claw back credability ever since. And of course you're right our opinions on this thread are irrevelant, yes the climate has warmed at the poles and Greenland, and glacial experts can prove glacial maximums and retreats even without the human factor. It's there in the fossil record, the ice cores, the Irish bog oak samples, etc., I could go on. What's in dispute is this current slight warming blip as man's fault, and that's yet to be proved ................