FM's the State of Play with empasis on Climb performance.

[bw_wolverine]

Well, you won't get any disagreements from Red pilots, I think.

It'd be nice if they did make the adjustments, but considering the way the FMs are have been shifting, I don't see it happening. We just need to learn to fly as best we can with the way they've made the aircraft in game.

[CWMV]

I disagree.
We've been at it from day one about the FM's, and to the dev's credit they have been changed, they just need some more poking to get it right I think.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease after all.
Correct the 109's, and give us some real opponents to shoot down. If I wanted to shoot down ham-strung fighters with third rate performance and terrible pilots Id just wait till BoM comes around to slaughter the VVS.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by CWMV

I disagree.
We've been at it from day one about the FM's, and to the dev's credit they have been changed, they just need some more poking to get it right I think.

I agree with IvanK, the RAF fighters perform well below the specs, the 109 is still not what it should be. I don't know what has been done in this version, but it's certainly not right yet. Thanks for the graphs mate!

CWMV - that was just rude about Russian pilots.

[Kwiatek]

What i think that all these planes need a fair and deep Flight Model and expecially Performacne revision.

There are plent errors in maxium speed, climb rate, RPMs settings ( power settings) for Merlin engine, slats working, stability and controls ( expecially rudder) working.

I wonder why 1C reduced speed of british fighters if before it was more close to RL data and now it is way off even for 6 1/4 lbs power.

It was need mostly to correct 109 speed range.

I wonder if they will manage to do it in accurate way ever?

I dont even want to think what they will get in Battle of Moscow with russian planes if they have problem to get correct FM&performacne for a few BoB planes?

[Kurfürst]

IMHO another thing that needs to be looked into is best climb speed. AFAIK the best speed for climb for the 109E in the sim is 270-280 kph IAS. This would be correct for the 109G, but the E's best climb rate was at 250 kph IAS.

This might sound as a small thing, but it seriously effect the climb curve. The FM calculates climb via a generic formula, where Vi=best climb is the peak and Vi= max level speed is 0. Shifting Vi=best climb to higher speed will thus reduce low speed (steep) climb performance and too low Vi= max level speed will reduce high speed climb, zoom etc.

This can and does effect tactics such as climbing turns, using different climb angles etc.

[IvanK]

My E4 Climb test flown at 250Kmh IAS 1.35/2350RPM (AUTO)

[Kurfürst]

A bit of a clarification, I wasn't suggesting you made your tests badly, dear Ivan! However from what I remember from the SFS files is that the best climb speed of the 109E in the sim is defined as 270 kph instead of 250.