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[baronWastelan]

And what seems to 'sell' these days is the notion that the Germans were in some way 'special' compared to the rest of the world. It was this notion (the master race) that got them into trouble in the first place! Combined that notion with the Americans love of the underdog and you end up with this very strange kind of German worship.

Why even bring nationalism into this discussion, "Ace"? Aren't there as many "Germanic" Americans as there are Germans in Germany?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

Why even bring nationalism into this discussion,

What did I say that is considered nationalism?

It is a historic fact that the Germans considered themselfs 'super human' and better than eveyone else..

But that is not me being nationalistic..

That is me stating stating history..

And stating why it is so important to dispel this belive that one nation or one people have some great genitic advantage over another!

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

"Ace"? Aren't there as many "Germanic" Americans as there are Germans in Germany?

Not sure..

But I would not be suprised..

In that as I pointed out in one of my previous posts..

As far as a blood line goes, I am a full blooded German..

Both my grand parents came from Germany and as far back as the records go on my father side is 1610..

And I know my grandparents were not the only Germans to leave Germany!

[arthursmedley]

Roflmao! What a great thread! And what a terrific sense of deja vu.
In another place, in another time;


http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...pt+wings+me262

Ace of Aces appears on page four, post number 39. Enjoy!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

consistency is a virtue!

[tools4fools]

But not the first intentionally swept wing fighter design

Sure it was. Not initially, but after 42 when the research on swept wing was incoporated (and the inner wing swept as well).

In that it was all done before by Robert Goddard

So show me his 'ballistic missile' then. How far did it reach.

Sorry, but I can't see how anyone would take you serious with comments like that, obviously created by your mind to fit your simple minded views:

And the high speed wind tunnel testing the Germans were working on was for planes flying faster than that.. Which is why they did not immediately make the connection that a swept wing is beneficial at sub sonic speeds.

Funny enough too that you discredited 'design aesthetics' as other reasons for swept wing when it didn't suit your 'CoG only' theory, now that you need a straw to make it look as nothing but 'dumb luck' you use it yourself...

consistency is a virtue!

Uhhh...yes, true, you twist and bend what you say all times plus create a little stuff when needed, so guess that's some form of consistency.

Your way at looking at things is actually at least as bad as history channel.
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[robtek]

Btw, the wing of the 262 was of course intentionally swept and not accidentially.

It really doesn't matter if the intention was to get better aerodynamics or a different cog.

[addman]

Originally Posted by robtek

Btw, the wing of the 262 was of course intentionally swept and not accidentially.

It really doesn't matter if the intention was to get better aerodynamics or a different cog.

I agree on this and I also think that we should be careful not to d evaluate the advancements in aero and rocket technology that "ze Germans" made before, during and after the war. There's good reason why both Soviet and the States were scrambling to get all those left over German scientist/engineers to their respective sides.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by robtek

Btw, the wing of the 262 was of course intentionally swept and not accidentially.

Yes it was intentionally swept to correct the cg due to the heavier than expected engines..

Which is very Very VERY different from intentionally sweeping the wings to take advantage of swept wing theory/technology

Originally Posted by robtek

It really doesn't matter if the intention was to get better aerodynamics or a different cog.

It does when your trying to dispel the myth that the Me262 was the first 'intentionally' swept wing jet fighter design to take advantage of swept wing theory/technology.

As I pointed out before, the history channel types belive that, and the only way to belive that is to belive the Germans were way ahead of everyone else..

Which they would have to be for the Me262 to be the first 'intentionally' swept wing jet fighter design to take advantage of swept wing theory/technology.

But as we now know the wings were swept to correct the cg and not to take advantage of swept wing theory/technology, thus the Germans were not as advanced as the history channel would 'lead' people into thinking

That being the Germans were some sort of super race and/or being assisted by aliens from outer space.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by tools4fools

Uhhh...yes, true, you twist and bend what you say all times plus create a little stuff when needed, so guess that's some form of consistency.

The fact that you can not attack the message and have to resort to attacking the messanger speaks volums with regards to your argument.

On that note, me quoting what 'experts' said about the reason why the Me262 wings were swept is not what I or most would consider twisting and bending what was said.

Where as you on the other hand have no proof let alone quotes to support your theories would be considered twisting and bending what was said.

So, I think this is a good point for you and I to agree to disagree.

S!

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Roflmao! What a great thread! And what a terrific sense of deja vu.
In another place, in another time;


http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...pt+wings+me262

Ace of Aces appears on page four, post number 39. Enjoy!

Sadly he is over at the dcs forums, too.