Throwing some light on rates of turn

How can they extend the flaps in full flight? Should not be the case or should cause damage.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Edit: Not to mention that deploying flaps will DECREASE your turn rate.

Not in this sim I am afraid

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

You were at 230 mph at 2000 feet, and you say that you "got" low and slow? Sorry to say that 230 mph and 2000 feet is already low and slow to begin with.

How about 500ft and 130mph?
It's relative to the engagement conditions.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Edit: Not to mention that deploying flaps will DECREASE your turn rate, not increase it.

As others have noted...Try it in game see what you think.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

You were at 230 mph at 2000 feet, and you say that you "got" low and slow? Sorry to say that 230 mph and 2000 feet is already low and slow to begin with..

Oh, and the max speed you can get out of these Spit IIa is around 260-270mph.

So being 15% off max speed can hardly be described as "slow" now can it?

[robtek]

I don't have much spit experience, but when i flew the spit II on the ATAG server i easily reached 280 -290 mph in level flight!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by robtek

I don't have much spit experience, but when i flew the spit II on the ATAG server i easily reached 280 -290 mph in level flight!

The maximum ONLINE speed at sea level for the Spitfire IIa is 290 mph IAS, but drops rapidly down to 270 mph IAS by 5000 feet altitude and even further to 262 mph IAS by 10,000 feet -- as I'm sure you've noticed but failed to mention.

"Strangely", the OFFLINE Spitfire IIa does NOT lose IAS at the higher altitudes noted, but actually holds close to 300 mph IAS as it should.

I've already posted this several times in this forum, but clearly "the fix is in" by a number of you in wishing to suppress the historic capabilities of the Spitfires and Hurricanes in this "sim" (I use the term loosely) to maintain an unfair and unhistoric advantage online of the 109 over the Spitfires and Hurricanes. Clearly you have the devs' ears as witnessed by the further downgrading of the Spitfire and Hurricane performance curves in the latest patch.

Congrats, gentlemen.

[von Brühl]

Rofl, they downgraded it to historic numbers, which apparantly is too much for you?

OP: Sorry for getting this thread derailed, I actually meant were you keeping your speed up at the optimized turning speed once you dropped your flaps? If not, it's very easy for a 109 to deploy partial flaps , maintaining a higher speed, and better turning via that route. As Doggles mentioned, getting too slow is just as detrimental to your turning ability as going too fast.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

"Strangely"

Are you implying that Maddox Games has purposely made the online flight model worse, due to bias?

I've already posted this several times in this forum

Oh get over yourself. I and I'm sure many others don't subscribe to your posts via RSS and so probably missed it. Graph is broken below 3000 meters? K. Thanks. First I've heard of it, now kindly stop attributing ignorance to malice and bias.

but clearly "the fix is in" by a number of you in wishing to suppress the historic capabilities of the Spitfires and Hurricanes in this "sim" (I use the term loosely) to maintain an unfair and unhistoric advantage online of the 109 over the Spitfires and Hurricanes. Clearly you have the devs' ears as witnessed by the further downgrading of the Spitfire and Hurricane performance curves in the latest patch.

Congrats, gentlemen.

Yeah yeah yeah, the big bad blue guys have a secret club where we all try to imbalance the game because we're Nazis in real life and walk around with hitler mustaches, etc etc.

Let's all ignore the haphazard way the developers have put together the game. Everything else in the sim is broken, but the flight models probably aren't broken, right? I mean, sure, the entire game is a complete mess and crashes constantly. But that's probably because they spent sooo much time on the flight models. These models must be exactly the way the developers want them to be.

That's the only explanation, right? It's gotta be the Luftmafia that's convinced MG to purposely nerf the spitfire. That makes perfect logical sense. It also makes sense that every single person on these forums who is a Blue pilot is complicit and should be blamed for the current state of the flight models (ignoring for a second that the Spit 1a is extremely competitive above 6km). We should all focus our anger on them. It's their fault. Those freedom-hating Nazi bastards.

Oh wait. Maybe the FMs are broken, just like the rest of the game. Maybe if we exercise a little patience we might get representative performance in game. Maybe it's not my fault that the FM's suck. Maybe it's not von Bruhl's fault. Maybe it's not robtek's fault.

One of the most immature posts I've read on these forums in a long time.

Is the game broken? Yes. Is the game broken for both sides? Yes. Does trying to blame it on Axis pilots help anyone? No.

Please stop.

[CaptainDoggles]

Yeah, sorry, you're not going to convince me that 2000 feet is not "low" and the graphs that BlackSix posted say that even the spit 1a can reach just over 300 mph on the deck.

So yes, you were low and slow.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Yeah, sorry, you're not going to convince me that 2000 feet is not "low" and the graphs that BlackSix posted say that even the spit 1a can reach just over 300 mph on the deck.

So yes, you were low and slow.

The graphs posted by Black Six only start at 3000 m, not at zero feet altitude.

The Spit Ia's maximum speed online at 0 feet altitude is 253 mph IAS (max boost 6.25 lbs @ 3000 rpms -- there is NO 12 lbs boost modelled in Cliffs of Dover for the Mark I/Ia Spits, nor both Hurricane Marks).