Still Soooo Porked

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by bowlesy

I have noticed in CLOD that it is very rare to see planes on fire compared to other sims. When you do it looks really nice though! I mainly fly British planes so maybe this will change in the future when the 20mm come into play?

Tried incendiary ammunition?
Tried hitting a fuel tank?

Stuff doesn't burn unless there is heat, oxygen and fuel. Some sims (older ones) aircraft "blow up" when you shoot the tail off.... the increased damage modelling should result in more "realistic" incidence of explosion.

[Insuber]

I remember very similar debates on the UBI il2 forum, regarding namely the too low power of small caliber guns. In Il2 one could put 1000 .303 rounds on a bomber without apparent effects. Apart from the in-game damage parameters of the individual rounds (e.g. damage radius) the weapons effects are a function of a few other parameters: accuracy of the round landing spot, modeling of vital areas of the plane, modeling of the consequences of damages to those vital parts.
Oleg spoke about an increase by 10x of the damageable parts with respect to Il2. I see indeed a huge variety of damages in the chat messages. In many cases the plane behaves coherently, e.g. the hydraulic governor locks if the main hydraulic system is hit, and the control surface cables disable the corresponding ailerons etc.
However my doubt are that:

a) not all of the damages seem reflected on the actual plane behavior.
b) the damage radius/effect of the individual rounds seems a bit off, with a huge advantage for the explosive rounds.

However we lack too many information on the DM a the moment to whine too much

Bye!

[EAF331 Starfire]

Originally Posted by pstyle

Tried incendiary ammunition?
Tried hitting a fuel tank?

Stuff doesn't burn unless there is heat, oxygen and fuel. Some sims (older ones) aircraft "blow up" when you shoot the tail off.... the increased damage modelling should result in more "realistic" incidence of explosion.

I think I read that the 109 had a system that filled the emty space in the fueltank with inert gas or that air was sucked out of it.
If this works, it should be prevented from catching fire on the first pass. It will take a while for fuel to run out an soak the rest of the aircraft.

Most of my kills in COD, have been pilot kills or team kills.
Convergense is the key in aircraft with wingmounted guns, especially if you only have light machine guns.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by He111

I never knew the Stuka was SO well armoured. So when britsih pilots talked of a "Stuka Party" they ment something else?

You DO know that most of the top scorers waited for the enemy aircraft to basically fill their crosshair before firing? You can spit bullets from 200m as much as you like, not many of them will hit.

Yeah, i cannot wait for the sky tank either - cementer!

I do not know if 15mm AP ammo of the Friedrich nose gun can penetrate the cabin, but there`s always the underside radiator that can be damaged with normal MG calibre. The more complicated DM when compared to the old IL2 will also benefit the attacker here.

Anyways, virtual 109 pilots had enough time to learn to deal with them.

[addman]

Originally Posted by carguy_

You DO know that most of the top scorers waited for the enemy aircraft to basically fill their crosshair before firing? You can spit bullets from 200m as much as you like, not many of them will hit.




I do not know if 15mm AP ammo of the Friedrich nose gun can penetrate the cabin, but there`s always the underside radiator that can be damaged with normal MG calibre. The more complicated DM when compared to the old IL2 will also benefit the attacker here.

Anyways, virtual 109 pilots had enough time to learn to deal with them.

Yeah, lol, "the tank of the sky" IL-2. One short well placed burst of MG on that oil radiator and it's history, in IL-2 1946 at least. After a little practice one could single-handedly take out a whole squadron of those things. If they have the same weakness in BoM, no need to use any precious 15mm cannon ammo.

[furbs]

It would be tricky though if the pilot knew what he was doing and flew at tree top height.
Some good battles in VEF with Il2's and those pesky I16s with green lasers.

[He111]

Originally Posted by addman

Yeah, lol, "the tank of the sky" IL-2. One short well placed burst of MG on that oil radiator and it's history, in IL-2 1946 at least. After a little practice one could single-handedly take out a whole squadron of those things. If they have the same weakness in BoM, no need to use any precious 15mm cannon ammo.

Good luck addman if you think your aim is that good! Obviously better than actual pilots ..

Don't forget a panicing IL2 pilot (Me!) will be flying all over the sky.

@Sven, yes, very true. We've all watch the heroic propaganda @ the movies but in real life things are very different.

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