A newbies impression of the 109 and spit

[IvanK]

I have Boyds documents. I have used these concepts in aircraft dissimilar performances comparisons for real world tactics development and taught the concepts both in the classroom and in the jet. Its common to pretty much every Air Force in the world.

Fighter pilots use the term "Energy Bleed" everyday its an eloquent way of describing the situation. Fighter pilots are by definition "Cool" so its natural to use cool terminology .... irritates the pencil pushers to no end.

[Crumpp]

Fighter pilots are by definition "Cool"

Ahh not really. Most of them I have seen are pissing their pants on the ground when we get to em.

I did that for much of the first gulf war air campaign. They might be something in a plane but out of it, they were not impressive.

Even less impressive are the ones screaming like a little girl on the radio that ground fire is targeting them, shooting for heavens....especially when lives depend on their getting some bombs on target.

Of course, we where on the ground and the only tracer he saw was that going back and forth between us and the enemy.

AWACs finally ordered that guy off station on his third time coming down to ID targets and fleeing the scene and screaming each time.

One of our European allies, too.

[Crumpp]

I tried out your game. I dove a Spitfire from 17,000 feet at full power in the channel free flight setting on realistic. With the right rudder buried to the stop and jerking the stick back, it not only did not break but I did not even pass out.

[Crumpp]

They might be something in a plane but out of it, they were not impressive.

That is by no means a blanket statement. I have also seen some very good guys up the air.

A couple of A10 pilots, some USMC F-18's, USN F-14's, and a couple of BundesLuftwaffe Tornado pilots stand out in my mind. They earned a seat at the table.

[IvanK]

... Hook line and sinker

[Crumpp]

It must sound cool, though.

IvanK, you were already caught, I just let you go...

[bongodriver]

Just as I thought, Crumpp is a 'Walt', has a real issue with pilots......yeah everybody knows the hard work in air warfare is done by the pencil pushers.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

That is by no means a blanket statement. I have also seen some very good guys up the air.

A couple of A10 pilots, some USMC F-18's, USN F-14's, and a couple of BundesLuftwaffe Tornado pilots stand out in my mind. They earned a seat at the table.

I didn't think that Germany lost any Tornado's and cannot find them in my records on the war, can you give any indication as to dates so I can update them? Indeed I didn't think that Germany took part in the war at all so can you supply any information as to how they arrived in the battle zone it would be of interest.

[Crumpp]

I didn't think that Germany lost any Tornado's

Who said anything about Germany losing Tornados???

They replaced the scared to death fighter pilot AWAC's moved off station, dropped all of their bombs, expended all their ammunition, and showed back up 45 minutes later ready to play some more.

The tornado pilots were brave men who were willing to fight.

Crumpp is a 'Walt', has a real issue with pilots

Umm, I am a pilot and make my living in aviation.

I have an issue with people who use terms they don't understand because they think it makes them look smarter.

[Crumpp]

http://www.terma.com/media/90377/ter...e_may_2008.pdf

how they arrived in the battle zone it would be of interest.

They pushed the throttle forward and went where AWACS told them. I was not the TACP, or in this case, CCT but just the guy that says, "drop bombs right there". That is an air force guy whose job it is to control the aircraft. Since there were less than 30 of us, you could say I was co-located in the kill zone with the TACP.