A newbies impression of the 109 and spit

[bongodriver]

Of course they are going to be cussing, scared, and pissed after yanking on that stick with both hands to get 80-90lbs of stick force required at Vne. They will be alive and complaining, LOL.

sounds to me if they didn't start with enough altitude then they won't be alive to complain, give me light elevators any day over ones that can't pull me out of a dive.