A newbies impression of the 109 and spit

[Crumpp]

all aircraft operating notes warn about overstressing

Not really bongodriver.

You would have a very hard time overstressing the Bf-109 for example. Especially if you followed the later instructions and did not trim the aircraft during the dive.

It was designed that way through good stability and control engineering.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

You would have a very hard time overstressing the Bf-109 for example.

An example chosen entirely at random perhaps?

[robtek]

The first that comes to mind is that the stick forces in the 109 were too high to pull out of a high speed dive without using trim.

Too high or even high stick forces make a involuntary overstressing really tough work.

[bongodriver]

the airframe will get stressed enough when it lawn darts.....

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by robtek

The first that comes to mind is that the stick forces in the 109 were too high to pull out of a high speed dive without using trim.

Too high or even high stick forces make a involuntary overstressing really tough work.

Not disputed by me (someone else may know different). My point was that the Bf 109 was one type of aircraft, which may have been unusual, would you care to name, say, five others that were also unable to be overcontrolled?

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Not disputed by me (someone else may know different). My point was that the Bf 109 was one type of aircraft, which may have been unusual, would you care to name, say, five others that were also unable to be overcontrolled?

Sorry, there is only one other where i know it for shure, the Me323 "Gigant" where sometimes in rough conditions one pilot alone didn't have enough power to steer it at all.

But "unable " to be overcontrolled stretches the point a bit far, i think.

Every plane with "normal" stick forces and travel was less likely to be overcontrolled with the probability therefore reciprocal related to the stick forces.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Not really bongodriver.

You would have a very hard time overstressing the Bf-109 for example. Especially if you followed the later instructions and did not trim the aircraft during the dive.

It was designed that way through good stability and control engineering.

Ouch, we could have an interesting debate on that but lets keep it to one topic at a time

[Kurfürst]

Does anybody have further details of this Spitfire aileron instability problem the aircraft seem to have been suffering from?