Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[MB_Avro_UK]

The Euro was a 'political' creation. Designed to 'unite' Europe.

But 'money' is not political. Money takes no prisoners.

And Money does not recognise the Geneva Convention.

Interesting times ahead. Reap what you sow.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[addman]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

The Euro was a 'political' creation. Designed to 'unite' Europe.

But 'money' is not political. Money takes no prisoners.

And Money does not recognise the Geneva Convention.

Interesting times ahead. Reap what you sow.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

No, the EU and the Euro was designed to create the "greatest" bureaucracy the world have ever seen and to give Germany the power over Europe without armed forces. These so called liberals spawned all these ideas and now it's like Soviet Russia was with centralized power. Some paper-shifter in Brussels is deciding how our cucumbers here in Finland should be shaped (I'm kidding you not). It's gonna break up, say whatever you want and turmoil will follow and I know that it won't be pleasant to be a politician or a banker when that happens because that's where the blame will fall.

P.S With regards to the OT, no that is not a new Winston Churchill, that is a political troll that does have a few good points...that's it.

[brando]

We must fight back in the bureaux of government, Addman. Not so long ago the Brussels mob tried to control the length and straightness of the bananas that we Britons could purchase in our stores and supermarkets.

Noting this, and preferring the magnificent curves of the Jamaican variety to the stubby digits presumably grown in the now defunct marijuana factories of Holland; our government spoke out in Europe and gained an exemption.

I'm not sure whether we sent N.Farage to insult the Belgian Prime minister or something - but we won.

Winston would simply have sent the Royal Navy to blockade the Belgian ports.

B

[Bewolf]

This thread is fun, you never stop learning. I just realized that:

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[addman]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

This thread is fun, you never stop learning. I just realized that:

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Wow! I should have just posted those 3 pictures instead of writing all that, really sums it up.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by brando

We must fight back in the bureaux of government, Addman. Not so long ago the Brussels mob tried to control the length and straightness of the bananas that we Britons could purchase in our stores and supermarkets.

Noting this, and preferring the magnificent curves of the Jamaican variety to the stubby digits presumably grown in the now defunct marijuana factories of Holland; our government spoke out in Europe and gained an exemption.

I'm not sure whether we sent N.Farage to insult the Belgian Prime minister or something - but we won.

Winston would simply have sent the Royal Navy to blockade the Belgian ports.

B

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

As for Winston blockading the Belgian ports, it might be worth remembering that Churchill was one of the major advocates for a United States of Europe, something much more extreme than we have now. A lot of anti-EU Conservative supporters seem to forget that, or at least willfully ignore it, but Churchill was extremely pro-europe and would have been pro-EU if he had been around long enough, if not even potentially criticising it for not going far enough.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kupsised

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

Quoted for truth, though unlucky national governments have developed a tendency over the last 20 years to direct any illdoings of thermselves at the EU whenever it comes to elections.

People in here should know a bit about history and learned a thing or two, amongst them foremost the principles that if something goes wrong..blame somebody outside the country! Still, to this day that works like a charm, in Germany, in the UK, in France, in all of Europe and the US, in Russia (remember, it was foreigners at fault for mass protests against Putin....). Case in point this thread.

And then I get asked in PMs why I am often so hostile.
I have to ask back, how can you not if people don't ever manage to move above Bild, Daily Mail, Fox News and whatever else "news"papers levels.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by addman

No, the EU and the Euro was designed to create the "greatest" bureaucracy the world have ever seen and to give Germany the power over Europe without armed forces. These so called liberals spawned all these ideas and now it's like Soviet Russia was with centralized power. Some paper-shifter in Brussels is deciding how our cucumbers here in Finland should be shaped (I'm kidding you not). It's gonna break up, say whatever you want and turmoil will follow and I know that it won't be pleasant to be a politician or a banker when that happens because that's where the blame will fall.

P.S With regards to the OT, no that is not a new Winston Churchill, that is a political troll that does have a few good points...that's it.

Yes. That's what I said, but not in so many words.

Europe is not America. There is very little commonality between countries in Europe. There are huge differences in culture, economies and aspirations. To be 'united' by the same money has not worked. It was a fanciful political utopia.

The reality of capitalism has emerged. Europe would have been better off without the Euro.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

Yes. That's what I said, but not in so many words.

Europe is not America. There is very little commonality between countries in Europe. There are huge differences in culture, economies and aspirations. To be 'united' by the same money has not worked. It was a fanciful political utopia.

The reality of capitalism has emerged. Europe would have been better off without the Euro.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

What lack of communality? You are projecting the UK's special situation as an island onto the countries of the continent. Most areas and people have been under one rulership or another, starting with the roman empire. There is a commonly shared and ongoing history of direct interaction and exchange for millenia, unrivaled anywhere else in the world.

There even is a common religion which was equally practiced eveywhere and the philisophical and ethical code coming with that.

Populations living at the borders of two countries often are more like one each other then people living on the borders to other countries. The same applies to ethnitices, which only corrolate superficially with dominant cultures. Most "differences" are simply based on the faith of being different, not actual differences. You will find when you move to other european countries that they differ in customs, not in basic values.

Added to that, we are not living in the 19th century anymore. There are countries coming up whose basic values differ to a far greater degree and the pontential to surpass any european nation with economic power by several multitudes, China the most prominent one.
Compared to these, Europe is a highly integrated cultural area and is seen at that in other parts of the world. That includes the UK.

You do not think one country alone, even the UK or Germany, stands a chance to counter that development alone in the long run, do you?

Finally, about the Euro. That stuff you talk about is bollocks. And it has become a self runner without anybody looking at how thbings really are. Portugal, Spain, Ireland, parts of the eastern european countries and also Germany have benefited enourmously from the Euro.
Even today the southern european countries, despite all the declines, are still leagues above from where they started out initially. Portugal was a Morocco style country before joing the EU and eventually the Euro.

The problem does not lie in the currency itself, it lies in it's basic construction, exposed by the collaps of an anglo saxon financial system, a system that helped a country like Greece fudge it's numbers into the Euro.

P.S. A little observation. Never in my life have I seen so much news coverage over the interiour politcal developments of other european countries. It's the same in any given eeuropean country currently I think. We have long reached the stage of european interiour politics in a strained and nerve wrecking situation without anybody by now even having gotten the idea to mobilize. Tell me what you want, but given european history, that is an achievement all by itself. I also prefer peace over capitalism.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

What lack of communality? You are projecting the UK's special situation as an island onto the countries of the continent. Most areas and people have been under one rulership or another, starting with the roman empire. There is a commonly shared and ongoing history of direct interaction and exchange for millenia, unrivaled anywhere else in the world.

There even is a common religion which was equally practiced eveywhere and the philisophical and ethical code coming with that.

Populations living at the borders of two countries often are more like one each other then people living on the borders to other countries. The same applies to ethnitices, which only corrolate superficially with dominant cultures. Most "differences" are simply based on the faith of being different, not actual differences. You will find when you move to other european countries that they differ in customs, not in basic values.

Added to that, we are not living in the 19th century anymore. There are countries coming up whose basic values differ to a far greater degree and the pontential to surpass any european nation with economic power by several multitudes, China the most prominent one.
Compared to these, Europe is a highly integrated cultural area and is seen at that in other parts of the world. That includes the UK.

You do not think one country alone, even the UK or Germany, stands a chance to counter that development alone in the long run, do you?

Finally, about the Euro. That stuff you talk about is bollocks. And it has become a self runner without anybody looking at how thbings really are. Portugal, Spain, Ireland, parts of the eastern european countries and also Germany have benefited enourmously from the Euro.
Even today the southern european countries, despite all the declines, are still leagues above from where they started out initially. Portugal was a Morocco style country before joing the EU and eventually the Euro.

The problem does not lie in the currency itself, it lies in it's basic construction, exposed by the collaps of an anglo saxon financial system, a system that helped a country like Greece fudge it's numbers into the Euro.

P.S. A little observation. Never in my life have I seen so much news coverage over the interiour politcal developments of other european countries. It's the same in any given eeuropean country currently I think. We have long reached the stage of european interiour politics in a strained and nerve wrecking situation without anybody by now even having gotten the idea to mobilize. Tell me what you want, but given european history, that is an achievement all by itself. I also prefer peace over capitalism.

There's no need for swearing just because you disagree.

I have friends in Germany and France plus a few other states. They agree with me.

The only country that has 'benefited' from the Euro is Germany. Remember how many Mercs and BMWs were sold to Greece on loans when they joined the Euro?

That was fine then. But now, feelings towards Greece have changed somewhat in Germany.


Best Regards from a Non-Swearing,
MB_Avro.