Black 6 Thu 19th Apr update re Spit II

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Its a tad bite more than that. The BoB era Spitfire II manual clearly states that the maximum boost allowed in flight is +9 lbs.

Just like the Spitfire I manual states +6.25 as normal maximum boost (better known as "All out" boost by RAF terminology).

The "cut-out control ... allows the normal maximum boost to be exeeded for special purposes ("emergencies")."



Pilot's Notes General, 1st Edition June 1941.

[Buzpilot]

I don't understand why you guys bother, devs don't.
This is what it looks like we'r getting next patch, Hurricane,Spitfire on 87 octane. Maybe a patch another year it will get 100 octane?
Or is it to avoid english planes used in Moskva map?

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

I've read the values from the various charts by a ruler. Note that I only used the values at altitude 0, 1000, 2000, ..., 10000 (1000 m step)

Edit; Note the spacing, 400-600, not 400 - 500 ,the difference is huge.

[robtek]

If the overboost came with the correct penalties (high probability of engine damage when overused) for Spit and 109 the problem wouldn't be one.
If everybody was forced to conserve his engine and to keep it well in the green, the peak power would heavily loose in importance, as it would only be advisable to use in emergency or in a chase with air superiority.
Even then, as further away from home as less advisable would be the use of WEP.
Regretfully CoD is still missing a lot in the CEM-part to make this workable.
To give the power now, as it is would give all advantages to the spits, turn and speed, very unrealistic.
Imo, of course

[Talisman]

Originally Posted by robtek

If the overboost came with the correct penalties (high probability of engine damage when overused) for Spit and 109 the problem wouldn't be one.
If everybody was forced to conserve his engine and to keep it well in the green, the peak power would heavily loose in importance, as it would only be advisable to use in emergency or in a chase with air superiority.
Even then, as further away from home as less advisable would be the use of WEP.
Regretfully CoD is still missing a lot in the CEM-part to make this workable.
To give the power now, as it is would give all advantages to the spits, turn and speed, very unrealistic.
Imo, of course

I think it is evident that the RAF enjoyed "home advantage" in the BoB in terms of managing worn engines, factory output, replacement aircraft availablility, short logistics chain and pilots flying over their own country. Therefore, I do not view worn engines as such a big deal as far as the CloD sim is concerened. However, as I understand it, the main penalty for the pilot in the first instance was a huge increase in fuel consumption if emergency boost was activated, so this must be included in the flight model for 100 Octane Spit and Hurri me thinks.

Talisman

It may have not posed a problem to handle it for the RAF but I do think that they did not change it after every flight. So it should be modelled as one day we may end up with spits flying in the pacific.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Talisman

I think it is evident that the RAF enjoyed "home advantage" in the BoB in terms of managing worn engines, factory output, replacement aircraft availablility, short logistics chain and pilots flying over their own country. Therefore, I do not view worn engines as such a big deal as far as the CloD sim is concerened. However, as I understand it, the main penalty for the pilot in the first instance was a huge increase in fuel consumption if emergency boost was activated, so this must be included in the flight model for 100 Octane Spit and Hurri me thinks.

Talisman

That limitation wasn't meant for the long view, exceeding the 1', 5' or 30' limit should bring the immediate high risk of engine trouble and a increasing loss of power, as it was in real life, with temperatures rising over the limits and all, for all planes, blue or red.
The damage to longevity was done when still flying by the book and using overboost.

Btw, the Luftwaffe did change a 109 engine in the field in 15 minutes, the RAF took a day, iirc.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by robtek

Btw, the Luftwaffe did change a 109 engine in the field in 15 minutes, the RAF took a day, iirc.

RAF took 2 days and LW 30 seconds. In the snow. Uphill.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by Robo.

RAF took 2 days and LW 30 seconds. In the snow. Uphill.

I thought the RAF were still replacing engines in Spitfires and Hurricanes? There's a race on to be the first one done. It's the main reason there are so few left flying today actually.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by robtek

To give the power now, as it is would give all advantages to the spits, turn and speed, very unrealistic.
Imo, of course

Much better to have a massive advantage to blue in speed, climb, roll, firepower and dive right?