Foo'bar banned

[philip.ed]

I will state this shortly and simply.

Foo'bar was banned for apparent 'malicious intent' and when it was clear this wasn't present the reason given was that he caused damage to user's systems.

So damage was done (apparently).

We have moderators who use ignore lists, and thus don't moderate efficiently or effectively, and clearly lack the unbiased, separate nature a moderator is required to have.

Hence damage is done, and will continue to be done.

I struggle to see the difference, especially when one is clearly intentional.

Please not as well: there is no suggestion here that the moderators are inefficient (so no grounds to get me into trouble) but rather my realistic perception that such a lack of objectiveness and fairness will always reap poor results.

-Thank you.

[badfinger]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I will state this shortly and simply.

Foo'bar was banned for apparent 'malicious intent' and when it was clear this wasn't present the reason given was that he caused damage to user's systems.

So damage was done (apparently).

We have moderators who use ignore lists, and thus don't moderate efficiently or effectively, and clearly lack the unbiased, separate nature a moderator is required to have.

Hence damage is done, and will continue to be done.

I struggle to see the difference, especially when one is clearly intentional.

Please not as well: there is no suggestion here that the moderators are inefficient (so no grounds to get me into trouble) but rather my realistic perception that such a lack of objectiveness and fairness will always reap poor results.

-Thank you.

Two thoughts:

1) Whatever his intent, it is the result that matters.

2) "I didn't know the gun was loaded" is not a viable defense.

He got what he deserved, even if he didn't think about the consequences of his actions.

It might have been a good joke, at some other time. But yesterday was not that time.

binky9

[JG52Krupi]

Foo'bar should be unbanned immediately, there is not a single poster on these forums that has done more for the game than he has if anyone has a right to moan about anything it's him he clearly spent a lot of time working on models for this game and from what I have seen he has had little to no respect from the users or 1C for all his efforts... such a shame.

P.S. I could name 100 users on this forum that have done more damage on these forums for "supporting" the devs than he has... a single unfortunate post and he is banned!!! Luthier, B6 you should intervene in this!

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Foo'bar should be unbanned immediately, there is not a single poster on these forums that has done more for the game than he has if anyone has a right to moan about anything it's him he clearly spent a lot of time working on models for this game and from what I have seen he has had little to no respect from the users or 1C for all his efforts... such a shame.

P.S. I could name 100 users on this forum that have done more damage on these forums for "supporting" the devs than he has... a single unfortunate post and he is banned!!! Luthier, B6 you should intervene in this!

So it's cool to be an ass if we contribute to the sim? Sweet, I'll go fire up 3DS Max so I have carte blanche to be a jerk on the forums.

Oh wait.... nope, sorry, contributing 3d models does not render a person above the law.

[robtek]

He definitely didn't deserve the ban.

People have to be responsible for their actions, he didn't do anything wrong, it's the act first-think later crowd which got what they deserved.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by robtek

He definitely didn't deserve the ban.

People have to be responsible for their actions, he didn't do anything wrong, it's the act first-think later crowd which got what they deserved.

+1
True.

[Stublerone]

I am really sorry, but if I see guys downloading without looking, than it is their fault. As I read the post yesterday, I directly saw, that is 1 year old.

I cannot understand such guys now whining, that there was serious damage as result. Again sorry, but do you never open your eyes before downloading and installing? Ooooooomg

And the best: Most of the pilots here do not any guy of the community and do not know, what foo bar already made for us all. That is the next fault by some gamers here. I just see very much guys, who are not aware to the game, the history and the community.

Otherwise, nobody would ever say yes for a ban of foobar!!!! He simply do not deserve it and he became a not unimportant part of the product "IL2".

So you should reject this ban.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by robtek

He definitely didn't deserve the ban.

People have to be responsible for their actions, he didn't do anything wrong, it's the act first-think later crowd which got what they deserved.

+1

[Robert]

Foo'bar may not have intentionally caused the stir he did, but why dredge up a topic that is within a week of the date (minus a year) to the date he posted? In other words why bump a May 4th, 2011 post on April 27 , 2012 - especially when the current patch is imminant? The last patch was October 2011. Why not bump that patch/topic? How far down the forum list did he have to go to get the post he did?

To me it's not about the people who downloaded the patch by accident. I agree a second or two looking at the date and the already numerous replys to a post (that had it been current to April 27th, 2012) would not have garnered as many replies as it already had.

Logically there's no reason to believe this was a current release of a new patch.

It's the juxtaposition of the two dates (4/27/12 - 5/4/11) combined with patch fever, (and let's be honest it's also the antagonistic character the forum has taken) that causes me suspicion. For someone to have been involved with CoD for as long as he has, I find it incredulous that he'd not know the atmosphere regarding this game.

I wish him well, and hope he will be back. Hopefully we've all learned something.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by robtek

He definitely didn't deserve the ban.

People have to be responsible for their actions, he didn't do anything wrong, it's the act first-think later crowd which got what they deserved.

Agreed. On my reading of all this he merely bumped an old thread, that is all. It is done all the time.

How could he predict that some people would be so stupid as to download an old patch without reading his post or any others?

He did not deserve a ban, no malice, no wrongdoing.

There are plenty of others I would have banned a long time ago, and many of them are the ones who downloaded and whined about the bumping of the patch thread.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So it's cool to be an ass if we contribute to the sim? Sweet, I'll go fire up 3DS Max so I have carte blanche to be a jerk on the forums.

Oh wait.... nope, sorry, contributing 3d models does not render a person above the law.

If you are going to invoke law, then you best point to the forum rule that was breached and why it does not result in banning in all cases.

It is a general principle present in most legal systems that people should not be held responsible for unforeseeable and unintended consequences, even if they brought them about. If they were, then everyone would have been on trial at Nuremberg.