Germany did not lose the Battle of Britain

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

.. while the British aircraft industry ramped up production the entire time.

It was never the "close run" thing that has become the myth of it over time. The Luftwaffe never had a chance in hell of winning.

A bit of a misnomer... Dowding's main concern was pilots.. not planes.

Galland explained it clearly in some interviews..
- No focus
- no real co-ordinated plan
- bad fighter tactics
- 'home game' for the Brits
- etc..

He said that the LW was never correctly equiped to fight the UK (overseas).. so they lost from the start... Mein Kampf 'clearly' explains this.

[zakkandrachoff]

if German invade Britain (operation sealion), they cannot do Operation Barbarossa (invasion of Balkans, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, and continue to middle east)
Not so much men and planes.
Anyway, the FockeWulf FW190A-4 fighter-bomber was not ready for any of boot operation. And they don't have so much FW200 for cover the extreme north objectives over Britain (factory and airfields) , and this include his escort, that need to be Bf109 E-7/Bf109 F-2 and FW190.
Another, ... German never recognized Finland like a allied (at least, to 1941), big mistake. This people are a very good fighters and excellent organized and good Ethic too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

pleace, traduce this site, is in spanish
http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/what-...27395-810.html

have a nice day

zacarias kandrachoff

[MaxGunz]

According to Avalon-Hill back in the late 70's, the Finnish military were probably the most elite on average in the world. Their regulars were as good as the elite troops of others. They just did not have enough in the long run.

But from Nazi view, are all or any Finns Arayan?

[jsg72]

Anyways...?

I do not have to read the reat of this thread to see the usual posts

Fact is. The World would most definetly have changed if Germany had not tried to invade Russia and concentrated its efforts on defeating Britain.

After that.(If Germany had succeded) The World was there to be taken.

Access to the Strongest Navy/No Island carrier for US. aircraft/An ability to strike against Russia... Whenever?(USA would not support Russia so easily.)
Africa would easily be Nazi conquered. Due to the unavailability of UK to access to US. Military aid.

USA would be totally isolated from the rest of the World. And therfore be liable for invasion from both East and West once Russia was conquered, in time.(As opposed to Hitler time?)Remember USA would be alone against the Japanese who would also be able to attack Russia.Since UK colonies would be under the control of the German government.

BoB. Surely was. The biggest turning point in WW2.

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

According to Avalon-Hill back in the late 70's, the Finnish military were probably the most elite on average in the world. Their regulars were as good as the elite troops of others. They just did not have enough in the long run.

But from Nazi view, are all or any Finns Arayan?

They had Belgium's Congo earmarked for us.

[Former_Older]

Originally Posted by planespotter

Actually I think many posters didn't read the original article, or that it is poorly written:

http://www.freewebs.com/heinkill/booksfilmssites.htm

He isn't actually saying that Germany didn't lose the battle of britain

He is saying that Brits venerate it, and Germans seem to have forgotten/ignore it (perhaps because from their point of view, because they never felt that they lost it.)

It's a different question than one about whether Germany did or didn't lose the BoB - the question is why does it mean so much to Brits, and so little to Germans.

Hi

Your topic name is "Germany did not lose the Battle of Britain". The reason so many people are discussing that topic and not the topic you linked to, is because you made the topic about Germany not losing the battle of Britain...it is the name of your topic that has turned the discussion away from your intention...how can I know that your intent is to illustrate something else when you appear to be using this linked article to back up your topic, which is "Germany did not lose the Battle of Britain"?

[Xiola]

It was the first time Hitler had been stopped in his relentless advance, so it certainly WAS a victory for the Allies.

Now began the hard struggle of fighting back.

It took 5 long years but the Battle of Britain WAS the beginning of the end for the Nazi Regime.

[JimmyBlonde]

The article only raises a moot point.

How the Germans viewed the battle is irrelevant in terms of who won. What is relevant, given that the intended outcome was for Germany to invade Britain, is that Britain was not invaded.

I'll concede that Hitler was only half-hearted about Operation Sealion but that doesn't alter the negative outcome for his forces in the field who were resoundingly defeated by the RAF in almost every major engagement of the battle.

[Xilon_x]

England has always had power over the sea.
The England and 'enriched with its colonies and possessions.
England had power over the sea and the power to decide the commercial maritime routes.
Mussolini said that he wanted freedom 'on the seas and that Britain is not allowed to move freely on the seas.
Italy and Germany did not have the freedom 'to colonialism on the seas'cause attached note from the U.S. and England.
This power over the seas today in our time England still owns it.
A mysterious hidden power of colonial possession.
But the English colonies have never rebelled against colonialism.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by Xilon_x

Italy and Germany did not have the freedom 'to colonialism on the seas'cause attached note from the U.S. and England.
This power over the seas today in our time England still owns it.
A mysterious hidden power of colonial possession.

Germany had quite a lot of colonies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...erman_colonies

...despite the fact that its navy was always inferior to the one of GB.
Furthermore, also France owns a lot of colonies today, despite the fact, that its navy was obsolete to the one of even Germany already before WW1.
And GB's navy was already inferior to the one of the USA (which still owns colonies too, big example of the praised 'Monroe doctrin' BTW) by start of WW2.

But the English colonies have never rebelled against colonialism.

LOL! Best statement so far from you!

I guess, this one guy might have had a different oppinion.