Why still no dive acceleration difference?

[FC99]

In TAIC test between the Zero and P-47 when they started the dive from 10000ft at 220MPH IAS and dived until Zero reached maximum allowed speed (325MPH IAS). It took 30 seconds for that and the P-47 had 100 yards advantage over Zero.

Disapointing, isn't it?

[Luno13]

100 meters is close enough to get shot down.

I guess those planes are only good divers if they're fast to begin with. You should never be slow in a P-47. If you're at the same speed as a Zero, you've already lost.

[BadAim]

These aircraft are not all that much different. They are similar in size weight power and performance, it only makes sense that they perform similarly, besides a vertical dive will be measuring the effects of gravity much more than any other factor.

As for relative performance in a fight, how the pilot uses the strong points of his aircraft against the weak points of his opponent is much more important than the actual performance. I get my butt kicked by guys in inferior aircraft all the time because they are better pilots.

[Untamo]

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In situations with me flying a Zero vs. a Spit or P-47 or whatnot, if we start in same E situ me in the six of the other plane (where else ), they always easily extend away after a short dive. I almost never get near the Vne because of the slow acceleration.

Zero is a kite that just doesn't have the mass for the dive acceleration and it clearly can be seen in-game.

[mayshine]

Originally Posted by Untamo

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In situations with me flying a Zero vs. a Spit or P-47 or whatnot, if we start in same E situ me in the six of the other plane (where else ), they always easily extend away after a short dive. I almost never get near the Vne because of the slow acceleration.

Zero is a kite that just doesn't have the mass for the dive acceleration and it clearly can be seen in-game.

how about La5, it is also a light plane with out mass enough to perform
a fast dive....why i can not get rid of it in FW till it reachs it's critical speed
limit??

[mayshine]

Originally Posted by BadAim

These aircraft are not all that much different. They are similar in size weight power and performance, it only makes sense that they perform similarly, besides a vertical dive will be measuring the effects of gravity much more than any other factor.

As for relative performance in a fight, how the pilot uses the strong points of his aircraft against the weak points of his opponent is much more important than the actual performance. I get my butt kicked by guys in inferior aircraft all the time because they are better pilots.

I do not agree

1. cut wing and round end wing are different very much from each other
2. power are different, Tempest has 2000 HP while Zero has only 1200 HP.
3. weight for La is around 2000kg when FW is 4000Kg or more

I dont think they can perform in the same way during the diving

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by mayshine

I do not agree

1. cut wing and round end wing are different very much from each other
2. power are different, Tempest has 2000 HP while Zero has only 1200 HP.
3. weight for La is around 2000kg when FW is 4000Kg or more

I dont think they can perform in the same way during the diving

The only person I heard talking about the Zero was talking about real pilots flying real aircraft during a real war.

The aircraft that you were talking about were contemporary competing designs which in the big picture had similar overall performance, that was what I was referring to.

Now please go ahead and and continue arguing the same point ad nauseum for our amusement.

[mayshine]

Originally Posted by FC99

In TAIC test between the Zero and P-47 when they started the dive from 10000ft at 220MPH IAS and dived until Zero reached maximum allowed speed (325MPH IAS). It took 30 seconds for that and the P-47 had 100 yards advantage over Zero.

Disapointing, isn't it?

yes, should have been more pronounced

[FC99]

Originally Posted by mayshine

yes, should have been more pronounced

TAIC is "Technical Air Intelligence Center".It was established Washington, D.C. (Anacostia) in 1944, as a joint Army-Navy organization with British participation. To this center was assigned the responsibility of collection, evaluation, and dissemination of all technical intelligence on the Japanese Air Forces.

That's why they tested P-47 and Zero (lot of other planes as well) and 100 yards(~100m ) was the difference between real planes in test. If you think that difference should be bigger than maybe you have to adjust your expectations to match the reality.

[mayshine]

Originally Posted by FC99

TAIC is "Technical Air Intelligence Center".It was established Washington, D.C. (Anacostia) in 1944, as a joint Army-Navy organization with British participation. To this center was assigned the responsibility of collection, evaluation, and dissemination of all technical intelligence on the Japanese Air Forces.

That's why they tested P-47 and Zero (lot of other planes as well) and 100 yards(~100m ) was the difference between real planes in test. If you think that difference should be bigger than maybe you have to adjust your expectations to match the reality.

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please show your link of the documentation or so

Is it a memior or serious testing documentation?

I have docs showing the diving difference between different aircrafts