Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

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Winny..war or not the technical staff did work by the a certain order and did use literature. Claiming these guys just did it without any supervision or literature is just thick. The base how an unit work is doing things, how professional it is performing it's tasks..all those are trained and done before the war. RAF or any other AF did not switch mode because of war..sure they had to improvise in the field but it was based on something. And belive me even in war superiors ask for paperwork because it is essential for the big picture if you get the drift.

You mean like when Don Blakeslee of the 335th in 1943 insisted on swapping his P47's for P51's, but none of the pilots had been converted, but he got them anyway on the agreement that they were in a combat operation within 24hours of receipt. Blakeslee told his men that their conversion would be the actual mission.

Sorry, but needs dictate what happens, do that or help yourselves lose the war.

[Crumpp]

Thanks Crumpp, 16 years of active service in military behind with fighters and their systems/armament/maintenance I think it gives something to this flying hobby, but I think knowledge just increases the pain in both good and bad

Thanks for your service, Flanker.

I retired 20 years from active US Army and then entered aviation as a full time career.

Associate members don't need a degree only an interest in aerodynamics, and from what you have posted I suspect I am afraid that you are at best an associate member.

I don't think associates get library access, not sure though. I have only had student membership and then full after graduation.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Thanks for your service, Flanker.

I retired 20 years from active US Army and then entered aviation as a full time career.



I don't think associates get library access, not sure though. I have only had student membership and then full after graduation.

Then I withdraw my previous comment.

[Crumpp]

beaurocratic schedules

It is not a bureaucratic schedule.

I know it seems like a bunch of overkill. The convention is really all based on lots of experience, most of it very bad experiences.

Airplanes are not like cars, the engineering safety margins are so much lower just to achieve flight.

[Crumpp]

You claim that that the June 1940 manual does not reflect the ability to use 100 octane fuel operationally.

NO, I said if it was in use in all operational units, Notes on the Merlin Engine would reflect that.

It does not in June 1940.

[Crumpp]

I found this page from the Spitfire Mk II Operating Notes.



mmmmmm

[winny]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

I found this page from the Spitfire Mk II Operating Notes.



mmmmmm

Ok here's my MkII from June 1940



And I'm still waiting for your answer, and an apology would be nice for the operational/logistical thing that you said made me look bad.

[ramstein]

In the spitfire my squad serviced at an airshow , we put 110 octane in the Spitfire (that was the highest grade we could find in 1980 for the airshow),, but I can't tell you how original the engine parts are or how it was tuned.. I can tell you it was fun to be very close to it, push it around the parking spot, and be inches from it as it taxied out and taxied back in after the flying...

It was a very smooth engine,,, no spitting, popping, or no cutting out in rolls...
It wasn't terribly bad on the ears,,, the only time I saw fire out the exhaust was when it first started... I can't say how the exhaust looks in flight because I never flew one..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

It is not a bureaucratic schedule.

I know it seems like a bunch of overkill. The convention is really all based on lots of experience, most of it very bad experiences.

Airplanes are not like cars, the engineering safety margins are so much lower just to achieve flight.

They just about managed to get that through to me at flight school and the 17 years spent as a commercial pilot and flight instructor, but I maintain it is a beaurocratic schedule and most probably the inconvenience of war forced some corners to be cut, one can assume they already knew the aircraft could fly, we're only talking about implementation of simple modifications in order to use a fuel that increases performance, my guess is at least one genius manged to figure out it might be quite handy in a fight.

[fruitbat]

To add to that, i believe it has been known to take risks in war, like every time you took off in the case of BoB.

People also apparently die.

People also try to do everything they possibly can to help stop that happening to them.

but i digress......