Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

I will let the dear readers draw their own conclusions.

The interesting thing, is that you have never said what your definition of Units Concerned is.

My belief is that its the fighter units that had not already been converted as we know that a lot had already been converted with use starting in February as supported by the first combat reports and station reports.
We know that Fighter Units in France were using it by May, we know the units in Norway were using it. We know that before May the method of role out changes from using the 87 Octane in the station tanks and replacing it with 100 octane to actively taking it from the stations and replacing it. It also supports the reference to restocking as mentioned in the minutes. That I believe supports the view that Units Concerned where those that hadn't already converted

I know and understand that you disagree with this but you have never said what you believe 'Units Concerned' to be. Is it the 25% of fighter command as per Pips, is it the 16 Squadrons as believed by Pips or is it something else?

Why after May is there no mention of any further role out of 100 Octane at all, anywhere, ever.
If the theory of a reduced number of squadrons is true then when were the rest converted, or were they?

Your evidence depends on a view of one document and twisiting it to your point, not looking at the big picture and the other evidence that supports a view.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by Glider

The interesting thing, is that you have never said what your definition of Units Concerned is

We need the notes of meeting six.
The agenda item from meeting 7 is following up an issue identified in meeting six, item two.

[addman]

On a side note, it's funny (and/or sad) how the discussions literally explodes around the topic of Spits/Hurries/109 FM's whilst really crippled planes like he G.50 (which is now closer to historical data) never gets neither flak or praise from the majority of the community members. Just a few of us enthusiasts of the lesser flown plane(s) have spoken up but in a constructive and helpful tone with minimal whining.

Remember, the G.50 is a flying brick , after roughly 3000 meters of altitude that thing sinks like a brick, 3000 meters! After 3000 meters is when the engine should start to perform better not degrade in to a 100 hp cessna engine. Also, getting it up to 350 km/h TAS in level flight is not easy when it should be doing around 400 km/h. Still, I and many others have flown the darned thing with love and without whining and I consider myself biased when it comes to the G.50. After telling the devs many times over it needs fixing and after supplying them with docs it is finally fixed, yaaay, I would still fly it happily even if they didn't fix it and struggle with it. Play with the cards given to you, stop whining.

The way some people behave and whine about the FM's tells me everything about them and why they are so "interested" in getting their favorite aircraft "fixed". I'm 100% for historical accuracy but I think most FM whiners have higher prioritized concerns, competitive edge online.

P.S Imagine if the Hurricane or Spit would degrade in to a barely flying brick after 3000 meters, would it even be possible to predict the magnitude of outcry on the forums then?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by addman

On a side note, it's funny (and/or sad) how the discussions literally explodes around the topic of Spits/Hurries/109 FM's whilst really crippled planes like he G.50 (which is now closer to historical data) never gets neither flak or praise from the majority of the community members.

since when has the G50 been in any way relevant to the outcome to the battle of brittain ?

it isnt and it wasnt

the reason the performance of the 109's, spitfires and hurricanes (and to a lesser extent the 110) is so important is because they were the main fighter aircraft involved, and the outcome of the conflict largely depends on the balance of those aircraft

with the current performance of competing fighter planes being so unrealistic, the outcome would have been rather different