Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[Kurfürst]

It's rather premature to draw any conclusions about the FM. The patch isn't out yet. If something is wrong with it, I am sure the developers will polish it further. It never will be perfect, depending on what source you are looking at, but consider this: they have shared some of the upcoming patches results to satisfy the community's curiousity; will they be inclined to do so in the future if it gets so much negative response before its even out as a result..? I doubt it.

Twelve pages on something that nobody yet has tried out *sigh*

[Bounder!]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

It's rather premature to draw any conclusions about the FM. The patch isn't out yet. If something is wrong with it, I am sure the developers will polish it further. It never will be perfect, depending on what source you are looking at, but consider this: they have shared some of the upcoming patches results to satisfy the community's curiousity; will they be inclined to do so in the future if it gets so much negative response before its even out as a result..? I doubt it.

Respectfully disagree. Blacksix has very kindly posted graphs detailing proposed / planned changes to the flight models of the Hurricane and Spit Ia on the CoD public forums where they are open to discussion. Surely if people have an opinion about these proposed changes it is appropriate to comment upon them now so that the devs are aware rather than ignorant of any problems / concerns e.g. we posted the proposed changes to the FM on the forums and no-one objected so what’s the problem...

So with that said, I have to say I am disappointed as others are - we seem to have Spits and Hurries modelled on 87 octane (only), and incidentally with performances lower than 87 let alone 100 octane. The most perplexing is the change to the Spits performance below 6000m, which is being reduced to a speed below that currently modelled in game and below the ‘historical’ valves currently presented in the graph.

Like most who post on the board and in this thread I want to see accurate and realistic modelling of all aircraft in the game, not for game play sake but because CoD is a WW2 combat flight simulator.

[Bokononist]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

It's rather premature to draw any conclusions about the FM. The patch isn't out yet. If something is wrong with it, I am sure the developers will polish it further. It never will be perfect, depending on what source you are looking at, but consider this: they have shared some of the upcoming patches results to satisfy the community's curiousity; will they be inclined to do so in the future if it gets so much negative response before its even out as a result..? I doubt it.

Fair point, but as someone who tries to keep an open mind I'm finding it hard to make sense of the info from the devs. It does seem that even in comparison to the data that they're working from, that their flight models are consistently worse, and that's ignoring the fact that they're not even trying to model 100 octane, the fighters that fought this battle. It doesn't even make sense from a partisan point of view, the Germans screwed the soviets over during ww2 in the worst way posible, why would they be biased toward the luftwaffe?
All I can say is that is with all these changes is let's see how it works out after the patch is live, and that any servers that don't allow the spit IIa at the moment should let it back on and see how things play out. It may not turn out to be so bad as the red side think it will.
Before I sign off and order another pint, there is one other thing to bear in mind, the graphs provided only pertain to velocity at altitude, where the spit had the advantage was turn rates, the graphs we have been provided do not take this into account. Maybe 1C know what they're doing and we'll get an awesomely balanced mp after the patch, Maybe not, but I am going to reserve my full vitriol until after the patch is released.