3D Cliffs Of Dover Pictures

[raaaid]

no you dont understand:

when you watch a 3d image you have a depth perception you dont have in real life, you have a different enhanced depthe perception in 3d movies from real life

the thing is that nobody perceives depth as you percieve it in a 3d movie

nobody?

well i have had 5 seconds long depth perception IDENTICAL to being inside a 3d movie

im learning to see from flat, as i have seen all my life, to see in 3d

edit:

something that blows my mind that you will consider utterly insane is that after training i see this in 3d and can tell which star is close and which is far away since i see it in 3d:



THE SECRET TO SEE 3D IN REAL LIFE:

cross your eyes slightly from the object youre looking at while keeping it focused with the eye lens

easy?

well ive been training for years and im starting to hardly be able to see in 3d with great effort, breaking the near triad synced interconnection its difficult

the craziest thing from this is that with that method its pretty easy to see this video in 3d

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTvgn...ure=plpp_video

my rational self decieves saying that i obtain depth from the video from the focus

my irrational self remembers me that i often see flat tv in 3d and that ive seen tv freeze and image like this:



well according years of reasearch i got the conclusion that the world is atged by colour blind people, they dont even tell black and white

even though they are great painters who use depth painting like this:

here you have a sample of depth colour paint:



and here a sample of black shade depth paint:



you cant even imagine to what degree the world is staged, my most lower claculations is that 99% of people are actors

[JG26_EZ]

I don't see how it's possible to see parts of a 2D image that aren't there in the first place.

I have to ask.. Where do you buy your LSD from, and how much is it?

[raaaid]

do you want to be able to percieve the fourth dimension:

you know now how to see double:

take two identical pencils aiming away from you on a table and look double at them overimposing them

depending on weather the pencils shape a v a ^ or a II your having the perception of the fourth dimension within the third in different directions

so in the third dimension you know the pencils aim away but in the fourth dimesion you see them aiming towards you

think about it from stereoscopic flat surface you perceive 3d from stereoscopy volume you percieve 4d

thats why its so relevant us not having depth perception, if we did we would have accs to the fourth dimension + time

[irR4tiOn4L]

Raaid, I hate to kind of shower on your parade here, but we most certainly DO see the stereoscopic effect you get in a 3d movie in reality (its why 3d movies are even possible - each eye gets a different picture and our brain figures out distance from the differing perspectives) but not only that, as you have found out, our brain also gets a lot of other cues from our bodies and eyes, even 2d images, and is able to get distance information from that.

So in reality, our depth perception might not SEEM as obvious or fancy as a 3d movie, but thats because its so effective and all pervasive that we dont appreciate it as much anymore - we just see and intuitively know how far away things are.

No 3d movie or game or mental trickery on 2d images equals our eyes in actual 3 dimensional space.

[raaaid]

then maybe its just me and the people whom i talked

but i dont see real life like a 3d movie

in fact check the 3d test for depth perception

http://www.mediacollege.com/3d/depth...tion/test.html

its about weather you see DOUBLE depending on convergence or not actually not about that odd perception you get in 3d movies, stereopsis

try also look at square pattern on the sidwalk crossedeyed as an stereogram and also youll see it 3d , youll see the difference than with normal vision

[Ailantd]

Originally Posted by raaaid

no you dont understand:

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Raaaid, now seriously, you have to tell your parents take you to the doctor.

[raaaid]

i visit regularly the doctor

you dont undesrtand:

in a game stereoscopic cockpit you dont see bars double when you look far away but in real life you do

explain me that

then you cant bring down my staged world by blind colour alien hypothesis

[Ailantd]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i visit regularly the doctor

you dont undesrtand:

in a game stereoscopic cockpit you dont see bars double when you look far away but in real life you do

explain me that

then you cant bring down my staged world by blind colour alien hypothesis

In fact I do, I see double bars in stereoscopic images when focusing the far landscape.

[raaaid]

strange i dont

probably les is right about people having different perceptions

for example maybe where you see blue i see red but we just happen to agree in the name of the colour but not its perception

i wonder do you percieve depth here, youre expected to percieve it:

[Ailantd]

Raaaid...
I´m going to ask you to do one little experiment. So, please, try this:
Run the sim, if possible in a wide screen. Close one of your eyes and try to fit the visual screen to cover all you visual field, or at least, as much as you can while capable of focus the image. Also try to center your non stereoscopic point of view in the center of the image.
Then, with track Ir or mouse, start moving a bit the point of view. Better if you displace the view plus rotate it. Try this for a few seconds and then tell me what do you see.

There are various ways to feel deph and stereoscopic is not the only one. Real stereoscopy is the only way to feel realistic deph when no other information is provided or memoriced by the brain. But the 3D feel is in fact created by the brain, and the brain can recreate it with only one source image IF it have all the other neccesary information to do that. In this case that information become from image movement and your previous knowledge of the cockpit and how the perspective works ( the brain "know" all this ). So the brain can reconstruct the sense of deeph. And doing this you can feel the 3D even without seeing double the objects that are out of focus. I know not every people can see this effect with only one eye, but I see it as well as I do crossing the eyes with two images. BUT is a fake sense of deph and if you try to play ( or drive a car ) that way you are going to miss a lot of targets ( or hitting a lot of other cars ) because bad calculations. Is like the brain filling the dead spot of our vision. Appears to be real, but is not. If you put some small object in that spot, that object will vanish completely.

Now, when we are talking about real deph feeling builded by the brain trough two images, the sense of scale becomes certainly from eyes separation and image sizes as I posted before in this threat. Where I used to work we had a cave ( I´m a 3d modeler and I was modeling 3d enviroments for that thing ), wich is a big cube where all faces are screens and where you enter with a steresocopic glasses and a fully head tracking. In the screens you project sterescopic images calculated from your actual point of view inside the cube. This way, with the correct space between eyes rendering, and the fully size and scale of the image, the sense of being there is absolutely real and fully credible. It´s an amazing experience. I literally could enter and walk my 3d enviroments and after a while you can forguet that was only a fake image and tryed to touch everything and avoid colision with objects.

The problem with 3D video games or cinema is that they lack the possibility of project a fully realistic scale image from the point of view of the user, so you get weird 3D effects, usualy exaggerated. Otherway raaid, the sensation is fully real and no different in ANY WAY from the real thing.

Edit:
I have found a cave photo in google, I post just as curiosity. The one I worked on was very similar to this: