The Crystal Ball 2

[Force10]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I do not get it.

"Just about everyone agrees the sim is fundamentaly broken"

So what sense is there in repeating the obvious all over again and again and again

Addman got it nailed, this is not about the game, but solely Ego.

I guess it's because people get attacked for not spending 500 hours on a sim that's fundamentaly broken. Robtek says he has got more than his money's worth out of the game. What that says to the devs is that it's time to leave COD where it is and move on to the sequel. Most of us that have shelved the game til it's fixed don't think we have got any value out of it yet and are not ready for the devs to hold over fixes for the sequel.

By the way Bewolf, you know how many times someone has said the same thing is being said over and over again? Thanks for adding in your exceptionally long winded nauseum to the thread and welcome to the "ad-nauseum" party.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Force10

I guess it's because people get attacked for not spending 500 hours on a sim that's fundamentaly broken. Robtek says he has got more than his money's worth out of the game. What that says to the devs is that it's time to leave COD where it is and move on to the sequel. Most of us that have shelved the game til it's fixed don't think we have got any value out of it yet and are not ready for the devs to hold over fixes for the sequel.

By the way Bewolf, you know how many times someone has said the same thing is being said over and over again? Thanks for adding in your exceptionally long winded nauseum to the thread and welcome to the "ad-nauseum" party.

Sorry Force, if you really think that the devs dont strive to remove all fallacies and errors of their work, with or without any forum input, you are much more blind then I thought.

In short you are saying that developement continues only because of the whining, thats as cross as a tail wagging the dog.

And that you dont seem to understand that any developement for the "sequel" is also a developement for CoD as they are using the same engine is really sad.

And finally, the more positive posters were only reacting to the overboarding whining in the beginning, now its a self runner.

Just to have a positive ending.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by robtek

And that you dont seem to understand that any developement for the "sequel" is also a developement for CoD as they are using the same engine is really sad.

I understand perfectly. The fear is they are going to release the gfx patch for COD, and the rest will follow on the sequel. Since COD runs great on my machine now, I will gain nothing from the gfx patch and have to drop another $50 for the AI,FM,DM, etc. for the sequel updates that update COD. This is more of a possibility when you have people stating constantly "I have got my money's worth and more from COD, what's wrong with you people"

There is a vast majority of folks that have simply shelved COD and moved on to other things while quietly waiting for COD to be fixed. If they find out that that $50 bill collecting dust on their shelf is going to cost another $50 to be patched properly, they probably will lose interest completely, and not purchase the sequel. I don't want that to happen.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Force10

I understand perfectly. The fear is they are going to release the gfx patch for COD, and the rest will follow on the sequel. Since COD runs great on my machine now, I will gain nothing from the gfx patch and have to drop another $50 for the AI,FM,DM, etc. for the sequel updates that update COD. This is more of a possibility when you have people stating constantly "I have got my money's worth and more from COD, what's wrong with you people"

There is a vast majority of folks that have simply shelved COD and moved on to other things while quietly waiting for COD to be fixed. If they find out that that $50 bill collecting dust on their shelf is going to cost another $50 to be patched properly, they probably will lose interest completely, and not purchase the sequel. I don't want that to happen.

I don't think that's going to happen. I know that if it does happen as you describe it will greatly curb my buying decision regarding BoM. I don't expect detailed clouds and weather formations, but I would expect AI, FM working comms and at least a working on-line mode for those who use it to be implimented in CoD independant of BoM.

I also think (hopeful) that 1C sees it the same way. They know that despite the whining, there has been a lot of support too. Even the most ardent whiners are fans who expected something better and are disappointed. Releasing the corrections and features independant of CoD (or even only dovetailed into CoD with purchase of BoM) will lead to an even greater loss of faith in the company. It would be suicide IMO.

[furbs]

That's the deal i think, but hope not.

People moaned when we saw the tanks and AA guns that it would slow down development of the other important features like FM, AI, DM, FSAA, COOPS, CEM for CLOD, but we were told that "dont worry its only a couple of guys and the rest of the team would be working hard on other fixes for CLOD at the same time".

Now when we ask if we will get other fixes in the patch, were told the graphics rewrite patch is holding things up and we will have to wait for other patches to fix these features (again complete guesswork)

Now we see the development of BOM is moving along nicely with changes to the graphics engine being seen and changes to the AI, all at the same time as the patch is being worked on.

The team has had getting on for half a year to fix the problems of CLOD.

No excuses this time.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by furbs

The team has had getting on for half a year to fix the problems of CLOD.

No excuses this time.

I`m actually interested in what you make of this statement.

[furbs]

Carguy, in the 6 months since the last patch the development team must of made progress in the other features,FM, AI and the rest, in fact we have had no AI update since last June.

If they are not just working on BOM then 6 months is enough time to fix some of the more pressing problems for CLOD.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by robtek

sorry force, if you really think that the devs dont strive to remove all fallacies and errors of their work, with or without any forum input, you are much more blind then i thought.

In short you are saying that developement continues only because of the whining, thats as cross as a tail wagging the dog.

+1000

There is a serious side to it, or there could be.

If you can clear all the batlefield smoke and mist out of the way (ridiculous optimism, blind faith, mis-reading the past, Tarot-cards for the future) then you could have a ground-swell of sensible opinion which the devs could actually find useful and instructive, or at least worth taking note of. It may even influence certain priorities and directions.

As it is you have a foxhunt with the rosier-cheeked members sat on high horses blowing their trumpets, ta-da, while encouraging the dogs on the ground to go after any fox that dares criticise. And throwing smoke-bombs to obfuscate as much as they can.

I particularly enjoy the standard line 'but we know it's broken, we knew all along, you dont need to keep saying'. As far as i can tell it is mostly spoken by those who argued bitterly with any early problem-raising, ignored the defects, assailed anyone who asked for missing features, and generally let a few months go by before quietly sneaking in the odd tacit admission all was not bright and rosy. Then crossed their arms and looked all smug. Hmm.

Never mind those who spend 1000s upgrading base don the those 'certain certainties'.

This is why the more idiot elements need reigning in, or at least countering. I have no problem with anyone liking the game for what it is. But could be, and will be? Or is that 'should have been'?

Ben

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

This is why the more idiot elements need reigning in

Agreed. I'd like to see them ban you.