Cliffs of Dover, a Year Later

>>I've had many agruments with Tree and can't remember them all. He seems to be getting respect from people for stating the obvious.<<

No, he was merely stating what I and many others have often said, in varying strengths. Ib=n fact, I can think of several posters who were earlier and as if not more accurate than Tree.

>>That the sim will be delayed.<<

No, he and I and others have said much more than that, in much greater detail.

>>As far as I'm concerned Tree is the poster child for developers not to include the community in the development process as some people just don't understand the process. <<

So once again, what *do you* understand about the process, Chivas? You with the inside track, the day-to-day knowledge, the probabilities, the likelihoods? And what is your own (nascent) experience of day-today software devlopment, management, testing, mangement? I've had some and can explain if you like, though it is peripheral - what is yours, exactly?

>>Even to the point of calling the developer "liars" when they were just explaining what the development was trying to achieve.<<

You are simplying and conflating several different arguments. If you like, I can spread them out and go them through them individually. They do not add up singly or collectively. Swiping them all together does not help your cause.

If you're going to evangelise on behalf of the devs, at least put their position coherently, and that of the critics. You may fool some of the younger members, you wont have such luck with older ones with actual experience in that field. You dont know what the devs think or what they're doing. You yourself have said so.

In short, I think you're full of it.

Ben