Cliffs of Dover, a Year Later

Actually taildragger, I did..check with the mods. I checked-in again on the off-chance that my IP cycle has ticked over, whcih it seems to have done. The only reason was to give back a taste to some posters what they have been dishing-out, which I dont like.

A ban is imminent (I hope) so you can carry on lionising such posters if you wish, and defend their right to attack people unopposed. I'm not pretending to be a white knight of righteousness, more just venting at some of the nastier idiots who seems to have this place in thrall.

Ben

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Actually taildragger, I did..check with the mods. I checked-in again on the off-chance that my IP cycle has ticked over, whcih it seems to have done. The only reason was to give back a taste to some posters what they have been dishing-out, which I dont like.

A ban is imminent (I hope) so you can carry on lionising such posters if you wish, and defend their right to attack people unopposed. I'm not pretending to be a white knight of righteousness, more just venting at some of the nastier idiots who seems to have this place in thrall.

Ben

2 wrongs don't make a right dear boy

p.s. @Philiped you spelled sense incorrectly

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

p.s. @Philiped you spelled sense incorrectly

Done on purpose mate because that's how Chivas spelt it; hence the italics.

david Hayward said:

>>Do you expect anyone is ever going to call you out for your awful malicious manner? <<

No, because generally I do not have one. I am posting specifically because of your postsm, recently, and previously. And they deserve to be held up.

And your endless use of the interrogative (question) is dull as dishwater.

taildragger said:

>>2 wrongs don't make a right dear boy <<

No, they dont. But a little natural justice doesn't hurt occasionally, if it's kept in check, and if it's justified, as here.

Ben

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

taildragger said:

>>2 wrongs don't make a right dear boy <<

No, they dont. But a little natural justice doesn't hurt occasionally, if it's kept in check, and if it's justified, as here.

Ben

But I thought you said you weren't pretending to be a 'white knight', now you proclaim yourself a champion of natural justice.....

Taildragger...no, I think you're trying to be too clever and picking holes in an argument that isn't there. Ego? Like Hayward's?

No champion of natural justice or anything of the sort, nothing so grandiose.

Posters such as Hayward should get a little back of what they put out, it's as simple and silly as that.

Trying to impute anything more to it is wasted energy and isn't going to get the big argumentative response that perhaps you hope it will?

Ben

Chivas,

It's *almost* nice to see you getting a little riled, instead of maintaining that holier-than-thou-all-seeing-eye response, when in truth you know precious little, and certainly less about complex software dev than I do. And I dont claim to know squat about this dev process, other than the obvious.

Your stock 'patience-grasshopper' responses and, failing that, attempts at mockery, fall short. They are not you. Don't forget, I've seen your posts of ryears, here and in the other place, as you well know.

As an apologist for the dev process you do more harm than good.

Like the devs, you show precious little contrition, except when you feel it is expedient.

Ben

>>I've had many agruments with Tree and can't remember them all. He seems to be getting respect from people for stating the obvious.<<

No, he was merely stating what I and many others have often said, in varying strengths. Ib=n fact, I can think of several posters who were earlier and as if not more accurate than Tree.

>>That the sim will be delayed.<<

No, he and I and others have said much more than that, in much greater detail.

>>As far as I'm concerned Tree is the poster child for developers not to include the community in the development process as some people just don't understand the process. <<

So once again, what *do you* understand about the process, Chivas? You with the inside track, the day-to-day knowledge, the probabilities, the likelihoods? And what is your own (nascent) experience of day-today software devlopment, management, testing, mangement? I've had some and can explain if you like, though it is peripheral - what is yours, exactly?

>>Even to the point of calling the developer "liars" when they were just explaining what the development was trying to achieve.<<

You are simplying and conflating several different arguments. If you like, I can spread them out and go them through them individually. They do not add up singly or collectively. Swiping them all together does not help your cause.

If you're going to evangelise on behalf of the devs, at least put their position coherently, and that of the critics. You may fool some of the younger members, you wont have such luck with older ones with actual experience in that field. You dont know what the devs think or what they're doing. You yourself have said so.

In short, I think you're full of it.

Ben

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Taildragger...no, I think you're trying to be too clever and picking holes in an argument that isn't there.

Actually, it appears that he found a huge hole right in the middle of your posts. It was pretty funny.