Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[Osprey]

You chaps have done your bit. The fact that a couple of sad knobheads still argue the toss even though there is overwhelming evidence is neither here nor there. I feel sorry for their own investigation and journey into history really, because with a viewpoint so precise it is not possible to speculate or deduce anything at all. Past their own lifetimes I dare say everything is debatable and by their own logic it is a large, mostly blank, canvas. I wonder if these guys believe anything at all about WW1, or the Roman Empire, or what happened at the Battle of Trafalgar, or anything where there is nothing to absolutely state in triplicate with recorded footage about that something happened in the past. Cpt. Mainwaring has the perfect response to them imo.....

[Al Schlageter]

I see Eugene is confused, still.

As for the testing Eugene thinks was being done at those 21 bases, 100 fuel had already been tested. Duxford, Debden, North Weald and Digby had received 8142gal a year earlier for 'testing'.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

I see Eugene is confused, still.

As for the testing Eugene thinks was being done at those 21 bases, 100 fuel had already been tested. Duxford, Debden, North Weald and Digby had received 8142gal a year earlier for 'testing'.

And it had been "tested" operationally during the Battle of France, both by aircraft of the BEF and home based FC squadrons.

[Crumpp]

Crump
I must admit I don't understand what your last posting was about.

You cannot look at fuel stocks "consumed". I explained that already. It has nothing to do with "peacetime". It has to do with the science of fuels and the shelf life of the mixed stock and how it is accounted for.

You guys keep chewing on the same information. Problem is none of the information is complete or changes what Morgan and Shacklady put out. In fact, it only supports what they wrote but we don't have all the documents that they obviously referenced.

16 squadrons sometime in September 1940 were converted to the fuel. That would require their operating bases as well as their satellite fields to be supplied. In other words, anyplace they might have to land would need a source of fuel.

Did they just suddenly poof into existence 16 squadrons converted? Maybe....maybe not. If they gradually phased in those 16 squadrons as resources became available, then looking at squadron logs is not going to tell you much.

FC maintained a high rate of rotation to keep its fighter pilots as rested as possible. So looking at squadron logs is not going to be much help again.

[ATAG_Snapper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4pk...e_gdata_player

Hmmm. Missing documents? Can't understand why....had my best man on it....

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Hmmm. Missing documents? Can't understand why....had my best man on it....

Yep, that really sums up what's happening here. Now...I just hit the trusty "ignore - okay" button...oh look, no Crumpp!

[Crumpp]

Re your comment on the line I posted The problem here is that you do not know the details behind the paper and your reply And nobody else does either.....including you
You are absolutely correct, no one does know the details. No one knows which squadrons, which aircraft, which stations, how it was to be distributed and so on were for the pre war paper. The difference is that I do not pretend to know.
However I do know that this idea of 16 + 2 bomber units wsan't mentioned at all in the Oil Committee meetings who would have been instrumental in the distribution of the fuel to the 16 fighter squadrons whatever those squadrons might be, wherever they may be based.

16 Fighter Squadrons + 2 Bomber units = THE SELECTED UNITS

The Oil Committee used very plain language.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

16 Fighter Squadrons + 2 Bomber units = THE SELECTED UNITS

The Oil Committee used very plain language.

But we have reports from over 30 squadrons

[Gabelschwanz Teufel]

Honestly. You actually believe that wartime fuel stocks sat around long enough to live past it's shelf life? During the BoB?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

You cannot look at fuel stocks "consumed". I explained that already. It has nothing to do with "peacetime". It has to do with the science of fuels and the shelf life of the mixed stock and how it is accounted for.

You guys keep chewing on the same information. Problem is none of the information is complete or changes what Morgan and Shacklady put out. In fact, it only supports what they wrote but we don't have all the documents that they obviously referenced.

16 squadrons sometime in September 1940 were converted to the fuel. That would require their operating bases as well as their satellite fields to be supplied. In other words, anyplace they might have to land would need a source of fuel.

Did they just suddenly poof into existence 16 squadrons converted? Maybe....maybe not. If they gradually phased in those 16 squadrons as resources became available, then looking at squadron logs is not going to tell you much.

FC maintained a high rate of rotation to keep its fighter pilots as rested as possible. So looking at squadron logs is not going to be much help again.

Are you really that clueless Eugene?

S:TH pg 55

"A meeting was held in the AMDP's room on 16 March 1939......... The decision taken was initial delivery to 16 fighter and 2 bomber squadrons by September 1940."

AMDP - Air Member for Development & Production

But then the war heated up and Barbi and Eugene expect this 16+2 to be kept.

As can be seen, the 16+2 went bye-bye.
At the least 22 squadrons converted to 100 fuel by the end of June:

By Month

32 Squadron pre BoB H
92 (East India) Squadron pre BoB S
111 Squadron pre BoB H
151 Squadron Feb 1940 H
602 (City of Glasgow) Squadron pre BoB S
609 (West Riding) Squadron pre BoB S

1 (Cawnpore) Squadron May 1940 H
3 Squadron May 1940 H
17 Squadron May 1940 H
19 Squadron May 1940 S
54 Squadron May 1940 S
74 Squadron May 1940 S
56 (Punjab) Squadron May 1940 H
73 Squadron May 1940 H
79 (Madras Presidency) Squadron May 1940 H
85 Squadron May 1940 H
87 (United Provinces) Squadron May 1940 H
N229 Squadron May 1940 H

N43 (China-British) Squadron June 1940 H
N41 Squadron June 1940 S
610 (County of Chester) Squadron June 1940 S
611 (West Lancashire) Squadron June 1940 S