The Crystal Ball 2

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc)

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I think this is very well said, and sums it up in all honesty, you simply can't rework what is a complex engine in 6 months...something that takes years to develop correctly, its overreaching by devs...we wanted to believe it, it we may still be surprised, but its like Porsche developing a new engine after they start selling the car. Anyway, time to just disconnect and check back this summer.

[hiro]

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues. And some of them there isn't anything new.

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.


And its funny. Once Il-2 Moscow / Cliffs gets working like Il-2 1946, everyone, including those that vehemently declared they would never purchase this game or give money would buy it, heck even twice.


UNless there is a serious WW 2 sim contender, but so far this game has the lead in that area.


Yeah I'm annoyed, but there's more dangerous things in life I should put my worries to.

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I agree with Oleg's statement . . . lots of people miss the fact programming and coding is something that can be very complex, and even more so when dealing with complexities such as physics in dog fighting . . .

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by hiro

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues.

But they haven't - they've said little or nothing on the issues that most people are keen to hear about.

Originally Posted by hiro

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.

There are 2 issues here. The first one is the technical reasons for the delay of the patch. Nothing the devs do or say here will change any aspect of that. The second issue IS completely a communication issue - the discontent has built over the last 2 months precisely because people aren't being told anything despite repeated (polite) requests. My only assumption is that the devs have continually thought that the patch was just around the corner, and therefore that there was no need to make statements. Unfortunately as the delay has stretched on and on that policy has run out of track.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by kendo65

But they haven't - they've said little or nothing on the issues that most people are keen to hear about.



(...) My only assumption is that the devs have continually thought that the patch was just around the corner, and therefore that there was no need to make statements. Unfortunately as the delay has stretched on and on that policy has run out of track.

I agree. The most common issue of project teams is the excessive optimism. This is very much bound to the human nature, which cannot find strong motivations in long term plans and far away results.