Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[Al Schlageter]

This graph is garbage as it includes 87 fuel issued to all RAF Commands. It is also unreferenced as to the source of the data plotted.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

This is what Pips said about what he found when asked: "were the British deceiving to the Australians?"


So even Pips has his doubts about the factual truth of what he found.

Hi, was this a recent post was made by Pips, i.e. are you in contact with Pips? Could you provide the complete post or a link to the post (I assume it was made in the not public allaboutwarfare forum).

Thanks in advance

[Al Schlageter]

Yes Banks that was in the thread Barbi so loves to quote from. Pips, afaik, has not been from in years.

Sign up on the board. Lots of interesting info has been posted, though the board is rather dead now.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

This is what Pips said about what he found when asked: "were the British deceiving to the Australians?"



So even Pips has his doubts about the factual truth of what he found.

(It seems that the one accusing others of being selective is himself being selective.) tut tut

There is certainly evidence that this was a deception for British stocks of 100 octane fuel was:

30th September 1939 - 153,000 tons
27th February 1940 - 220,000 tons
31st May 1940 - 294,000 tons
11th July 1940 - 343,000 tons
31st August 1940 - 404,000 tons
10th October 1940 - 424,000 tons
30th November 1940 - 440,000 tons

I think its worth remembering that consumption in May-July averaged 10,000 tons a month. So imports between 1 June and 31 August must have been approx 140,000 tons (stocks plus consumption) and consumption was about 21.5% of imports.

By the same token on the 11th July pretty much the peak of the fightng the UK had a stockpile of just under 3 years.

Pips and Kurfurst may believe this is a shortage, if it is, I wish my bank balance had this kind of shortage.

[NZtyphoon]

Looking at the weekly issues of 100 Octane. There seemed to be a lull in FC operations in the week prior to the invasion of France, and then the fuel issued jumps to 3,600 tons, starting May 23, as BEF and home-based fighter units, and Blenheim units were intensifying operations. Because these amounts of 100 Octane fuel was being issued it can be safely assumed that there was no drastic need to go back to 87 Octane fuel, as the Pips memo alleges. Naturally 87 Octane issues increased as all of the RAF Commands intensified their operations.

ie: Bomber Command
Coastal Command
Army Co-Operation Command

[lane]

Originally Posted by Glider

I think its worth remembering that consumption in May-July averaged 10,000 tons a month. So imports between 1 June and 31 August must have been approx 140,000 tons (stocks plus consumption) and consumption was about 21.5% of imports. By the same token on the 11th July pretty much the peak of the fightng the UK had a stockpile of just under 3 years.

That's very interesting. Thank you Glider for taking the time to sort through the numbers and put them in perspective.

[Crumpp]

We still disputing the words for "selected units" to convert by counting fuel stockpiles??

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

We still disputing the words for "selected units" to convert by counting fuel stockpiles??

No Eugene. I know you have difficulties at times but the counting of stockpiles is to show that there was no shortage of 100 fuel despite what Australia, Pips and Barbi say.

[MoGas]

Originally Posted by Bounder!

MoGas, could you post a summary or even better images of the article you are referring to in english since it seems the magazine you are referring to requires a subscription.

Thanks, Bounder

It is written in german, but anyway, it is a story about the Supermarine Spitfire part 1 (part 2, follows next months) where they talk about early issues with the Spitfire and her problems.

"In the article it is written, that, since early 1940, WHEN possible, EVERY fighter Sqn, got 100 octan fuel!" ,"Since the end of 1939, the focused already on 100 octan fuel, to rise the performance on the engines" ,"The RAF used 100 octan since 1937 already, but it was limited very much, because, he was coming from the USA, and it was expensive"

I will scan the text, or page, but I dont like to fall in a copyright issue, if you know what I mean..