Why no E4s

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Everyone assumes the minegeschoss just shreds bombers left and right. Honestly, it's trivially easy to down a Blenheim using only the MG-17s in the nose.

That's why we like the E-1

[Blackdog_kt]

I'm not saying it's not possible, i prefer to fly the E-1 too because of the longer firing times.

I'm just saying that MGs need tracking shots which give the bomber somewhat of a fighting chance. Cannons with m-shells on the other hand are deadly in high angle, high deflection snapshots which take the bombers completely by surprise.

Using the QMB in the old IL2 1946 i could down four B-17s with ace AI gunners without using any Mk108s, just 20mm guns, in full difficulty settings. In CoD with the more "human" AI gunners that miss, it's trivially easy to swoop down on a bomber from its high 3 and knock a wing off if you have m-shells. I've done it a lot of times not only against Blennies, but also bigger and harder targets like Wellingtons and Sunderlands that have wider firing arcs and more defensive guns.

If you also have a wingman (AI or human) to make a feigned pass and draw the attention of the turrets to the opposite direction before you dive on it and give it a short burst, it becomes a cakewalk because our new more realistic turrets have limited arc travel rates.

Of course, the E-4 can't be withheld forever. But when it comes post-patch, the Blens will have escort that doesn't CTD when it looks in their direction and the E-4 itself will be faster to deal with those escorts, according to its proper specs.

Then, blue bomber busting will probably fall to the 110 which will also be faster and harder hitting, perfect choice as long as it doesn't stick around to dogfight with fighters.

[TomcatViP]

The Blenheim was in fact an easy target to shot down. It was not a robust B-17. It dooes not need heavy fighters to get downed such as a 110.

ALtought personaly I think it's more fun when bombers are hard to shot down, it's a nonsense historically speaking with that type.

But I agree that the E4 guns are way overmodeled and need a correction (still I hve no prob with the speed contrary to many).

But please note that Bleheim in game have a superior cruise speed than the Ju88 hve. This does not seems to be accurate. I am always amazed at the pour souls nearly sailing their Ju88 past the English coast so slowly that even a Lyslander could intercept them !

@Martin77 : there is much more hacked FM flying now on the red side. Don't think that you need to change your tactics because red have improved theirs owns, think more in term of wich fight you hve to commit yourself and when you hve to run/extend/disco (?). And yes it's much like old Il2 4.10 and their stupid 51s .They just used the same risible trickeries.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

But I agree that the E4 guns are way overmodeled and need a correction (still I hve no prob with the speed contrary to many).

Overmodelled? What basis do you say that? Or just feel it?

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Overmodelled? What basis do you say that? Or just feel it?

Hi Tom,

see here pls : http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28256

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Hi Tom,

see here pls : http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28256

Hi. Ok, i remember now, i read that topic. I dont think, that any weapon overmodelled in the game, i think the .303 undermodelled, but it's another topic.

[TomcatViP]

Frankly I never heard any ace having shot 3 German bombers in a raw. I rather inclined to think otherwise when I see those pictures of crash landed bombers filled with thousands of bullets holes.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

@Martin77 : there is much more hacked FM flying now on the red side. Don't think that you need to change your tactics because red have improved theirs owns, think more in term of wich fight you hve to commit yourself and when you hve to run/extend/disco (?). And yes it's much like old Il2 4.10 and their stupid 51s .They just used the same risible trickeries.

That's a horrible thing to say Tomcat. A baseless accusation. I have seen you complain and accuse reds of cheating just because you got shot down.

The P-51 in 1946 absolutely had to be flown correctly to achieve anything and above 7km too. 90% of the time the enemy got clean away because they dived before the 50cals could put any significant damage into them and I often found most of my kills were escaped 190's who went to get a new aircraft. Out of the LW types only the Antons were easy to deal with but then they would still get away, but they normally operated 3-4km lower anyway so you didn't often see them @8km. 109G's and especially K4's were very tough, and Doras particularly effective. But there where the same lot of complaints until servers removed the APIT rounds, and the modded FM's came in to swing the tables to the LW.

[TomcatViP]

What are you talking abt Osp ? I'm flying red half of the time ! lol

[Osprey]

That may be so but the points still apply.