Friday Update, February 17, 2012

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by No145_Bunny

Well,

this is a worry. I applaud the ability to make CLoD more appealing to more people who want to use vehicles and flak positions in such a way.
However,
The success of the original IL2 series was built on multiplayer Squadrons and on-line play using coops. The developers MUST fix/improve the multiplayer aspect of CLoD so that the VERY MANY SQUADRONS out there can invest their money and time into the product that should be the "next" IL2.

I am a member of a Squadron of 40+ players that all fly the original IL2, we want to purchase CLoD and use it BUT WE CANT BECAUSE MULTIPLAYER IS UNUSABLE!! Please work out how much money IC is losing in just this circumstance!

Your best stream of revenue must surely come from on-line Squadrons ? Shouldnt this take priority instead of vehicles I can drive around in whilst what I really want to do is fly a coop with 20+ Squadron members over the channel in the Battle of Britain ?



No145_Bunny
Tangmere Pilots

1. It's not unusable. Our crew are regularly getting into scraps on our server and we have formations of 30+ enemy regularly.
2. How many have actually tried? I mean, with respect, I don't remember ever seeing any TP online, and since you are admitting that 40+ of your guys haven't bought it yet anyway then you can't have tried it.
3. Look at the bigger picture. Without expansion you won't have a sim, it needs funding and this market is too niche. It isn't 2003 anymore.

My regards to Hatter.

[No145_Bunny]

Originally Posted by Osprey

1. It's not unusable. Our crew are regularly getting into scraps on our server and we have formations of 30+ enemy regularly.
2. How many have actually tried? I mean, with respect, I don't remember ever seeing any TP online, and since you are admitting that 40+ of your guys haven't bought it yet anyway then you can't have tried it.
3. Look at the bigger picture. Without expansion you won't have a sim, it needs funding and this market is too niche. It isn't 2003 anymore.

My regards to Hatter.

Im sorry, but a few of us T.P's have bought CLOD and have tried (very hard) to get a decent IL2 style coop going and have been faced with problem after problem after problem.

Dont get the wrong idea, we want CLOD to be a massive success and we want it to be the combat flight sim of choice for everyone, but compared to the "multi-player" playability of IL2, its just not there.

It speaks volumes in my mind that the only decent multi-player server out there is the ATAG one and that is primarily a dog fight server. IL2 has on 2000+ players on-line most nights in hyperlobby and lots of coops.

I like the vehicles BUT the hours spent on them could have been far better spent getting the other issues fixed first.

We at T.P have waited for 7-8 years to fly a BoB style campaign in a simulator that could do it justice, CLoD was meant to be just that, so you will understand our dissapointment.

Still maybe we call all "drive" a multiplayer race around the airfield perimeter track looking at all the lovely aircraft that we cant fly together?

No_145 Bunny

[Tigertooo]

Originally Posted by Osprey

2. How many have actually tried? I mean, with respect, I don't remember ever seeing any TP online, and since you are admitting that 40+ of your guys haven't bought it yet anyway then you can't have tried it.

just counted us on Steam and we have so far 20 Pilots who bought the Simulator.

Together all flew 1481 hours (counted our hours on Steam as well)

So a bit unfair to insinuate that we didn't actually tried.
I think we rather tried hard to fly together, would'nt you agree?

No43_Tigertooo
Tangmere Pilots

[Rjel]

I like the idea of cruising around the landscape, mostly to sight see. Even if its a dumbed down version of ground vehicles. Playing around in armor shooting at buildings and such appeals in a limited way too. But I really can't see this developing into a situation where some players decide it would be a great idea to re-create the evacuation of Dunkirk or later the Red Ball Express during an online war scenario. I can't imagine many guys who are into armor "investing" in CoD with the idea it might someday feature fully functional tanks either. I hope not too many resources get dumped into what looks like a novel feature in a flight sim.

The video looks good. Hope the patch does what so many are hoping for.

I think the ground vehicles are fun and obviously a lot of work as gone into them, but for me it as zero value, i just want to drop onto a formation of enemy bombers without stutter and ground flickers and Crashes to desktop. Other than that a lot of time well spent, thank you.

[BigC208]

Great update. I remember playing Aces High years ago and enjoyed jumping in a flak position to defend a base from paratroopers. The ground enviroment in Clod is so nice it would be a shame not to be able to roam around in it.

Tree's right though when he expects/wants the flying side of the game to be stutter free and optimized before any ground expansions arrive. I personally think the ground stuff won't show up before the game's optimized. It's slow and stuttery enough as it is now on anything but the fastest hardware.

It (ground vehicle sim) may be a good move to get a wider audience onboard if they make it as realistic and detailed as the flying part is right now.

I still see people asking for a realistic weather system every now and then. Weather killed more pilots than enemy action so if it's realistically bad you won't be able to fly a lot of the time on the Eastern front. Make it realistic looking but without killing the framerates. I thought the nasty weater in Il2 makes it hard enough to accomplish a ground attack mission as it is. Not sure if it's worth all the recources to make realistic weather. Maybe 4 or 5 years down the road the hardware can do it all, right now it can't.

[bongodriver]

Perfectly reasonable to want the 'stutters' fixed etc... but why do people keep repeating that all the time as if to suggest that's not being worked on?

I thought thats exactly what the patch is supposed to be adressing, in the mean time they are just showing other goodies we can expect.

[badaboom]

Tank You.......Really,T-A-N-K-S Alot!!

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Perfectly reasonable to want the 'stutters' fixed etc... but why do people keep repeating that all the time as if to suggest that's not being worked on?

I thought thats exactly what the patch is supposed to be adressing, in the mean time they are just showing other goodies we can expect.

Surely they would have to know the guys working on the stutters, CTD's, graphics, fm, dm, ai, etc etc didn't all stop work to watch the vehicle guy work, but it suits their constant, unrelentling agenda to suggest no work is being done on the more important aspects of the sim.