Friday Update, January 27, 2012

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

in a nutshell

+1

Support it or risk losing it. After all these years it would be a disaster to see the IL2 series go to the wall. The potential is so huge. No other company is willing to create WWII aerial combat with such attention to detail - both on the ground and in the air.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by Sutts

+1

Support it or risk losing it.

That should be a two way street. Keeping your customers in the dark for months doesn't help rally folks to your cause. The last update, even though it was a bit hollow and void of any real info, was a step in the right direction. It's completely up to 1C now if this sim will succeed or fail. The ball's in their court. It seems since the modeler's have moved on to BOM that there will be no more aircraft for COD. After the new re-write is complete, it will be very important for them to release a SDK so the modders can take COD to the next level, IMO.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Force10

That should be a two way street. Keeping your customers in the dark for months doesn't help rally folks to your cause. The last update, even though it was a bit hollow and void of any real info, was a step in the right direction. It's completely up to 1C now if this sim will succeed or fail. The ball's in their court. It seems since the modeler's have moved on to BOM that there will be no more aircraft for COD. After the new re-write is complete, it will be very important for them to release a SDK so the modders can take COD to the next level, IMO.

Things do look brighter on the update front. I'm hoping some real CloD news filters out soon.

CloD aircraft will increase over time as new theatres introduce new flyable types but it will take time for sure. I think the release of the SDK will be hugely significant and CloD development will really take off - as long as the core is stable by then.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

That should be a two way street. Keeping your customers in the dark for months doesn't help rally folks to your cause

Based on what we have seen in this forum,

keeping your customers in the light doesn't help rally folks to thier cause either.

Take this last update for examle, Luither explained how things take longer when you set the bar high, and the customers rally cry was to imply that Luthier is not telling the truth.

Basically 1C can not win, if they don't say anything people complain, if they do say soemthing, people complain.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on what we have seen in this forum,

keeping your customers in the light doesn't help rally folks to thier cause either.

Take this last update for examle, Luither explained how things take longer when you set the bar high, and the customers rally cry was to imply that Luthier is not telling the truth.

Basically 1C can not win, if they don't say anything people complain, if they do say soemthing, people complain.

Well Ace, this time, you got it right on spot !

Salute !

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on what we have seen in this forum,

keeping your customers in the light doesn't help rally folks to thier cause either.

Take this last update for examle, Luither explained how things take longer when you set the bar high, and the customers rally cry was to imply that Luthier is not telling the truth.

Basically 1C can not win, if they don't say anything people complain, if they do say soemthing, people complain.

You would call the updates received so far "keeping customers in the light"? Ummm....ok. Vague posts de-void of any real info is not keeping customers in the light my friend. 8 months of this is partially why negativity runs wild. With such little info, it leaves it to the imagination of most to fill in the blanks themselves, and thats not a good thing.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Force10

You would call the updates received so far "keeping customers in the light"? Ummm....ok. Vague posts de-void of any real info is not keeping customers in the light my friend. 8 months of this is partially why negativity runs wild. With such little info, it leaves it to the imagination of most to fill in the blanks themselves, and thats not a good thing.

Honestly. The only way you could imply they aren't keeping us in the light is if you think they are being deceptive. Maybe what you mean to say is that you aren't hearing what you want to hear. Well neither am I, but I have heard what their plan is. I understand it's going to take a while.

If I tell you that to get to 121 Main Street you only need to go straight down THIS road, have I not given you information? I didn't tell you how far to go. To get to your destination of 121 Main Street you don't need to turn left or right. You don't even need to look anywhere else but straight. So am I not giving you clear cut directions?

Sure, you may want to know there's a post office on the next corner and pass that. A gas station is along the way. BTW enjoy Mrs. Lombardo's lovely flower garden and if you come to he Cracker Barell Saloon youve gone too far. But those points aren't germain. I did give you directions though.

The same appies to 1C/CoD, and unless you're implying dishonesty, then there's no reason to believe they aren't communicating - no matter if it's what we want to hear or not, and especially for people who have been here long enough to know better. There's no reason to speculate on anything else until we get to the 121 Main Street/graphics engine overhaul. Once we get there then we'll discuss how to get from 121 Main Street to 36 Newbury Street.

Is it really that difficult to understand? We're all relatively intelligent folks. Maybe patience isn't our strongpoint.

Ultimately I'm sorry you're having issues bad enough that you can't enjoy the game. I've seen many a YouTube clip that shows me that this game has not only a lot of potential but is also enjoyable - though understandably, still flawed.

It is what it is, and sadly we either accept the road map - as basic as it is, and certainly not where we'd like to be at this time - or continue to go around and round in the 1C vestibule while never even making it out to Main Street. B!tchin' about it isn't gonna change a thing.


EDIT: It's not like there's nothing accomplished. They rewrote the sound engine. They've redone the graphics twice. Okay, it intruduced problems. It wasn't the tires causing the problem. It was the wheel bearings. Still not it? Well we were hoping not to have to tear apart the transmission, but it looks like we'll have to.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Robert

Honestly. The only way you could imply they aren't keeping us in the light is if you think they are being deceptive. Maybe what you mean to say is that you aren't hearing what you want to hear.

Force10.. I can't say it any better than what Robert said here so consider my reply to you wrt your qustion to be being equal to Roberts above

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by Robert

Honestly. The only way you could imply they aren't keeping us in the light is if you think they are being deceptive. Maybe what you mean to say is that you aren't hearing what you want to hear. Well neither am I, but I have heard what their plan is. I understand it's going to take a while.

If I tell you that to get to 121 Main Street you only need to go straight down THIS road, have I not given you information? I didn't tell you how far to go. To get to your destination of 121 Main Street you don't need to turn left or right. You don't even need to look anywhere else but straight. So am I not giving you clear cut directions?

Sure, you may want to know there's a post office on the next corner and pass that. A gas station is along the way. BTW enjoy Mrs. Lombardo's lovely flower garden and if you come to he Cracker Barell Saloon youve gone too far. But those points aren't germain. I did give you directions though.

The same appies to 1C/CoD, and unless you're implying dishonesty, then there's no reason to believe they aren't communicating - no matter if it's what we want to hear or not, and especially for people who have been here long enough to know better. There's no reason to speculate on anything else until we get to the 121 Main Street/graphics engine overhaul. Once we get there then we'll discuss how to get from 121 Main Street to 36 Newbury Street.

Is it really that difficult to understand? We're all relatively intelligent folks. Maybe patience isn't our strongpoint.

Ultimately I'm sorry you're having issues bad enough that you can't enjoy the game. I've seen many a YouTube clip that shows me that this game has not only a lot of potential but is also enjoyable - though understandably, still flawed.

It is what it is, and sadly we either accept the road map - as basic as it is, and certainly not where we'd like to be at this time - or continue to go around and round in the 1C vestibule while never even making it out to Main Street. B!tchin' about it isn't gonna change a thing.


EDIT: It's not like there's nothing accomplished. They rewrote the sound engine. They've redone the graphics twice. Okay, it intruduced problems. It wasn't the tires causing the problem. It was the wheel bearings. Still not it? Well we were hoping not to have to tear apart the transmission, but it looks like we'll have to.

What?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

What?

Did I stutter? I thought the analogy was pretty simple.