Friday Update, January 27, 2012

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Well, I admit this is a better communication "package" compared to the last one I gave you my feedback upon (the infamous "balalaika" youtube video...).

Still, you are becoming masters in disguise... (I avoid using the term masters of deception out of politness).
I had to read the text twice to understand. Worthy of SunZu's teachings, brilliantly worded, it earns my respect!
Cudos to your effort!

Now that I have given you credit for the worthwhile effort, please allow me to tell you some things which I appreciated less:
Pretty pictures - little content.
You left us with a memory leak that grows to 4Gb RAM before crashing, obliging us to restart the game after every flight, for weeks now.
Careful reading of your statements makes me deduct that you have not being able to trace the cause of the memory leak much less provide a fix for it.
More concerning, no comment any more about the complete graphics model overhaul (which was the cause for not creating an intermediary patch).
Last but not least, no comments on the current flight model bugs in terms of performance of existing airplanes (e.g. SpitII) and funtionality of airplanes (e.g. JU-88 not working gyros).
Not posting a single date/ timeframe for completion of tasks (any task!) makes me speechless.

No need to worry gentlemen, I will buy your next sequel, and the one after that.

What frustrates me is that I am 46years old, have four university degrees (= my brain is working) but sometimes I feel I am reading communication destined to 12 year olds...

~S~

.... I like it, well written and true!

I gave up on that subject, but you are right!

Good that there are some other nice games to play while waiting for this one to get fixed.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Pluto

.... I like it, well written and true!

I gave up on that subject, but you are right!

Good that there are some other nice games to play while waiting for this one to get fixed.

I know English is a second language to many on this forum so I'll cut you some slack but for the second time I must correct this misleading statement.....


Luthier did address the graphics overhaul quite clearly.....

"Graphics are virtually complete. Almost all of the newly introduced bugs are squashed. There are lots of other improvements."

"The engine still has some problems".

Which bit of that doesn't cover the graphics overhaul?

In terms of the memory leak, it frustrates me too but Luthier explained a long while back that the leak was in part of the old graphics code which was being replaced. It simply didn't make sense to spend hours trying to fix the old code when the new code was close to completion and would fix the issue.

I'm sure there will be a few teething troubles but I bet the graphics rewrite will be worth the wait.

Originally Posted by Sutts

when the new code was (is?) close to completion.....

You know something we dont know?

Nope?

Then dont give us false hopes...


TBH, most of us who "whine" really loves old IL2 and for CLOD we had hopes it will be even better. Most of us ACTUALLY PLAY CLOD unlike some die hard fanboys on this board. Last night ACE OF ACES was playin ROF all night. LOL I never saw him in any of the CLOD servers...What do you think why ppl complain? They care...and they have the right to complain..because of their voice this game is gettin fixed (is it?)....Its really pitty 1C doesnt recruit open beta testers...I would glidely join...

CLOD as it is,...is playable (for us with stronger rigs) but it has serious performance issues (like I said earlier, mostly when effects are near, or more planes etc.) and it would be ME who will "mourn" if they dont succeed in optimising the sim....

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

You know something we dont know?

Nope?

Then dont give us false hopes...

TBH, most of us who "whine" really loves old IL2 and for CLOD we had hopes it will be even better. Most of us ACTUALLY PLAY CLOD unlike some die hard fanboys on this board. Last night ACE OF ACES was playin ROF all night. LOL I never saw him in any of the CLOD servers...What do you think wht ppl complain? They care...and they have the right to complain..because of their voice this game is gettin fixed (is it?)....Its really pitty 1C doesnt recruit open beta testers...I would glidely join...

CLOD as it is,...is playable (for us with stronger rigs) but it has serious performance issues (like I said earlier, mostly when effects are near, or more planes etc.) and it would be ME who will "mourn" if they dont succeed in optimising the sim....

If Luthier says "Graphics are virtually complete" then I believe him. My profession is software development so I'm aware how unforseen problems can completely throw a release schedule though. Just keeping my fingers crossed this time.

I'm really glad to hear you can see the potential and want the product to suceed Tvrdi. Some of your posts give the opposite impression but I guess that's just frustration getting the better of you sometimes. I've let my disappointments show in the past too.

I don't mind complaints as long as they don't spread inaccurate information that may hurt the product or constantly repeat a fact that everyone is aware of and the devs are working hard to fix.

Let's just hope they nail it with the next patch.

Originally Posted by Sutts

If Luthier says "Graphics are virtually complete" then I believe him. My profession is software development so I'm aware how unforseen problems can completely throw a release schedule though.....

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....

Originally Posted by Sutts

I'm really glad to hear you can see the potential and want the product to suceed Tvrdi. Some of your posts give the opposite impression but I guess that's just frustration getting the better of you sometimes. I've let my disappointments show in the past too.

The bigger the fan you are, or the bigger the expectations you have - the bigger is the frustration....its so simple...some ppl just dont want to admit...but when ppl like AOA "pops in" its hard to be cool

Originally Posted by Sutts

Let's just hope they nail it with the next patch.

Fingers crossed. Its in our own interest.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....


The bigger the fan you are, or the bigger the expectations you have - the bigger is the frustration....its so simple...some ppl just dont want to admit...but when ppl like AOA "pops in" its hard to be cool



Fingers crossed. Its in our own interest.

Agreed.

[bongodriver]

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....

Before I get condemned as a 'fanboi', I would just like to say that IMHO it is incoceivable that anyone would release a game in the state COD was in 'knowing' it was going to be such a problem, yes they could have expected a certain level of issues (nobody can deny it was pushed out the door early) but saying they could have fixed the problem before they knew it existed doesn't make sense.

as 'Whiners' and 'anti-whiners' we are still a minority vocal group here (even put together) the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Just my oppinion, no attacks, no anti-whining.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Before I get condemned as a 'fanboi', I would just like to say that IMHO it is incoceivable that anyone would release a game in the state COD was in 'knowing' it was going to be such a problem, yes they could have expected a certain level of issues (nobody can deny it was pushed out the door early) but saying they could have fixed the problem before they knew it existed doesn't make sense.

as 'Whiners' and 'anti-whiners' we are still a minority vocal group here (even put together) the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Just my oppinion, no attacks, no anti-whining.

Bongo, you know how the things are going in a world of modern games. There is core team testers, beta team testers, "open beta" testers....nobody realized the game has serious performance issues? I doubt...They knew it (some of them) from the start, and thats why Im so "angry". Just because of that. "Tell the truth from the start, no matter what is it". Its the best way.

But thats history now...lets move on....

[theOden]

Here we are, you fanbois and we haters - slapping and screaming at eachothers out of pure frustration over the game.

At least we get some entertainment from that (to the mods double frustration, both game and us).

Imagine what Luthier and team is going through, to sort this all out :/

oh well, back to harrasing someone

[EAF331 Starfire]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

..........the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Why write anything that had allready been written here?!
It won't change neither facts nor what the COD team are working on.

Writing anymore than I have allready done will be a waste of time; Lifetime I don't get back.

I will probably unshelf it when the next patch is released and do a reevaluation. If no patch is released, but a cequel is released I will wait for somebody else to do the evaluation and vote with my feet.