4.11 overheat and engine damage test results

[WhistlinggDeath]

The link below is for Swiss and Icefire (and others interested). The methodology is simple; I load up 4.11, start the QMB on the Okinawa map, start in the TA 152 H1 at 1000m of height, and fly for exactly one minute (so that the random number generator of 4.11 does not start my engine hot or cold), and then slowly ramp up power from 90% to 110% (all this on auto prop pitch) and put it into a combat dive and then semi-steep climb. I achieve overheat on a brand new fresh engine in ~15 seconds. And I am no where close to the apex of the climb or stalling.

Sorry, WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did I just say 15 seconds. Wow !

Load it for yourself:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sy2wk0y2b2d71ca

Now Team A can quote their esoteric figures from historical manual C, while Team B quotes their figures from manual D, but in no manner, shape or form did the TA 152 (or the P51, or the FW or the, etc...) overheat a brand new engine in 15 seconds in a dive.

Now, repeat this simple test for yourselves with the Spits 25lbs. Ya know it is coming right..........

....wait for it.....

NO OVERHEAT in the apex climb portion. NONE. In fact I can do several loops in the Spit 25lbs with nada, nothing happening, while the P51 engine or TA engine is long gone. (they even removed the need in the spits to engage boost, you simply just push your throttle up past 100 percent, ... could it get any simpler for the open pit newbers ?)

And the P51 and late Spits have the same engine right ? The Merlin Rolls Royce thingy, correct? That is why, despite his sound testing in the very first post of this thread, JG27 Papa, did not capture the essential point, I am making: The combat climb portion of the overheat model, which is so essential to BnZ planes (but not to TnB ones) widens an already noticeable gap in favor of the UFO fliers and is by far inaccurately modeled (and incorrectly applied to two planes that use the same engine). Not only that, but the source code changes to the flight models of several FWs, and the TA show several reductions. In particular, the TA 152 has been downgraded, point blank. ...........Who did this patch once again ?

[JtD]

It's true, shauncm, I usually do not go up into hammerhead turns. Sometimes I do, but that is supposed to be the exception. Like you say, going that slow on a dogfight server is quite risky.

I'm not necessarily fighting team vs. team, I duel, too. But I don't duel until one side is dead, I usually duel as long as I am comfortable doing so. I try to stay alive, and only thereafter to achieve a kill.

Regarding the air temperature at high altitude, yes, it is colder, but it also is thinner. This about evens out for water cooled planes. If you look at cooling data, you'll find the differences between high and low altitude are not that big.

Being sneaky is a valuable skill, it's never good to offer the enemy a fair fight, he might win that one.

[WhistlinggDeath]

Btw JtD, your notes above on P51 use are pretty much dead on. Post that in a thread over at Mission4Today.com in the tactics and gameplay section to help out all the other North Americans wondering why the vaunted P51 does poorly in IL2.

[Snake]

I think your track doesn't show anything!

[WhistlinggDeath]

Works just for me. I even downloaded it to make sure manually.

[Snake]

Originally Posted by WhistlinggDeath

Works just for me. I even downloaded it to make sure manually.

I meant it doesn't prove anything! I never dive in a Ta at full throttle!

[swiss]

rad is closed too.

[Snake]

I think all the guys complaining here just need to do some reading on how to implement tactics in this simulator and find a person to form up a team. One thing is for sure: the lone wolf era is gone!!

[WhistlinggDeath]

I'm going back to bed Swiss, but you dont need the rad open for only one dive. Set PP to manual and then to zero ?!!! ? Wth ?

No TA 152 ever overheated a brand new engine in 15 seconds !!!

What this amounts to is plane and simple (lets put all the little distractions to the side),

THE OVERHEAT MODEL IS MESSED UP, ..... BADLY.

[MrBaato]

Did you just smash your keyboard? How old are you lol

If you don't like the patch, don't install it. If you are trying to get something improved, be reasonable