4.11 overheat and engine damage test results

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by WhistlinggDeath

As far as the well maintained balance needed for online combat and BnZ flight models, I think reconsideration is reasonable.

If plane X fights plane Y, and plane X can repeatedly do BnZ (not just bounce once), then balance favors plane X, no matter how well plane Y can turn. If you ask for a plane, which should be able to do BnZ multiple times, you are not asking for balance.

Originally Posted by WhistlinggDeath

I just believe the 185 M-71 is a UFO, and guess what ?

Well, Lerche is UFO too. Similarity between Lerche and I-185 is that they both are available mostly on airquake type servers, where history isn't important. The fact, that number of these planes are often higher on such servers than number of constructed planes in reality, says not to expect realism there. Is there really a point in fixing prototypes, which probably should not be in sim at all, given the scarce information about them? And, is it really correct to question validity of more common planes while using UFOs for comparison?

[jermin]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Well, Lerche is UFO too. Similarity between Lerche and I-185 is that they both are available mostly on airquake type servers, where history isn't important. The fact, that number of these planes are often higher on such servers than number of constructed planes in reality, says not to expect realism there. Is there really a point in fixing prototypes, which probably should not be in sim at all, given the scarce information about them? And, is it really correct to question validity of more common planes while using UFOs for comparison?

Well said, but please, find me a decent populated stock CRT=2 server with real difficulty settings based on historical (or similar) missions. I'd be very happy to gather my long gone team mates to fly there.

[jermin]

@Luno: Why not post out your ntrk and let others judge for us?

BTW, you really got talents when it comes to dogfighting, WD. Haven't seen a good pilot like your for years. Nice flying!

[swiss]

could you guys please supply ntrks with with overheating engines?
thx.


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Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Couldn't check your track yet, though.

Let me know when you did.

[WhistlinggDeath]

Yes, I will Swiss, when I finish testing some of the stuff people put up in posts prior to yours. And get some sleep, lol.

This thread and the 4.11 patch are a bit like some part certified for NASCAR or Indy Cup use, where the engineer says, "Ohh yeah, this thing will take the torque right up till you get to 230 mph. It has been engineered to the highest principles and the titanium portion can take almost 2800 deg too". Then Tony Stewart or Dario Franchitti, take it out to the track and hit the first curve at 160 mph and the part blows thru the hood.

I was just told that 4.11 is all fine and dandy, by a man whose videos I go to see out of curiosity on Youtube, only to find that he is displaying his Focke Wulf skills against four AI planes in 4.11 and then spends more than half the video 100m off the ground flying in circles as he kills them in a boom and zoom aircraft. And this is the type of man criticizing me.

I rest my case.

[ZaltysZ]

By the way, question to DT: does MW50 (or similiar system) has additional effects on engine, or it is just a switch for higher boost/rpm in this engine management model? In other words: has MW50 any significance (like removing heat) in your temperature equations?

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

By the way, question to DT: does MW50 (or similiar system) has additional effects on engine, or it is just a switch for higher boost/rpm in this engine management model? In other words: has MW50 any significance (like removing heat) in your temperature equations?

If DT have added engine cooling effects it would be hoped they are almost unnoticeable because real life MW50 was an antidetonation technique to allow higher boost together with some anti-corossion and the additional cooling provided was minimal.

[jermin]

Check your source please.

[Luno13]

I posted this as a PM to Jermin since the other thread was closed, but since we still seem to want to discuss it:

Here you go:

http://www.mediafire.com/?x5cy6ovp89ing7u

Overheat warning appeared at about 2 minutes in.

First sign of trouble at about 10 minutes. Damage begins to set in progressively.

Complete shutdown at over 20 minutes.

Automatic P-pitch and radiator, as normal.

I hope this helps, S~

I just downloaded the track to check how it works, and it doesn't display the red "MW50!" message, but you can see the effect of it when power reaches 1.8 ATA. (Normal 110% power doesn't reach that manifold pressure).

A couple effects that appeared when I played in real time also don't appear in the Ntrk, but they look cool. I don't think I've seen them before

Everything else, from power settings and time-to-overheat, etc are exactly the same as when I played.



Now Jermin, let's please see a track of your problem. Then maybe we can see what's wrong and help solve it.

[WhistlinggDeath]

Zalty - No one, including me, expects the Dora or TA to repeated BnZ a spit 25lbs. If you believe that is what I am communicating, then I am not clear. I am simply saying that in 4.10.1, with very careful energy use over ten to 20 mins, I could often (but not always) secure the upper hand. And even when I did, the low rate of fire of the cannon did not mean I always came out ahead or with the kill. And once I did set up a great pass or two, I would have to zoom away (or run, as my adversaries call it) and slowly work the ladder again.

In 4.11, that is happening no how and no way. Yeah, yeah, I know, I am a shtty pilot, who cannot use the TA correctly, and I am of low IQ, blah, blah. But, the TA has been badly neutered. As has the 44 Dora and P51 which overheats if I see an attractive lady on the ground now.