First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by robtek

David,

which such a simplified view at the past, as you have shown in the last posts, you can only be shure of one thing:

your pov is, while not completely wrong, definitely not right, in the real world.

The times of black and white are long gone!

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about movies. I think you'll find that the world view in most movies actually is "black and white". Complex bad guys are pretty rare. People tend to want their bad guys to be obviously bad.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by pencon

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft. So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

@David The above WAS the point. I thought it was evident that not all Luftwaffe pilots were like the evil, sneering, duelling-scarred individual caricatured in the movie. If you believe they were, so be it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

@David The above WAS the point. I thought it was evident that not all Luftwaffe pilots were like the evil, sneering, duelling-scarred individual caricatured in the movie. If you believe they were, so be it.

No, I don't believe they were. Nor does it matter what they were. The only thing that matters is that they were fighting on the same side as the Nazis. Therefor, they will always be the bad guys, That seems pretty simple, and also quite understandable.

[JG52Krupi]

When are you guys going to realize that David looks at a thread finds the view with the smallest minority and then saddles up with that view and starts trolling for all his worth... he's just a wind up merchant, don't buy his shizzle

[pencon]

I have an RC model of an FW190 d9 with a swastika on the tail so I guess I must be a nazi ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwZ5OFGIFk8

(I'm actually not though )

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

I think the Battle of Britain does a fairly good job of that, although of course the main focus is on the RAF so there is not much of it, but the German scenes do a lot to make them more 'human' than most portrayals. For example, the scene where they are sat round the table for dinner with candles marking the missing, or the fact that you actually see the German pilots, not only outside but also inside their aircraft, and showing a lot of emotion as well. And the fact that there is more dialouge than the Commando Comic style 'Gott im himmel!' and 'Die, Schwein!'

Either way, you're right, I wish more films like Das Boot, or even games in a similar vein would be made about other things, air, land and sea, to help people realise that the German soldiers/airmen were not all Nazi's, were not all awful and at the end of the day were human beings, rather than one-dimensional, one-size-fits-all 'baddies' or just sprites for the 'goodies' to shoot at.