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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

View Poll Results: When will the next beta patch be released?
thursday!!! 1 0.74%
this friday 18 13.24%
during next week 15 11.03%
during the week after the next week 12 8.82%
in three weeks 9 6.62%
after a month 12 8.82%
two months 2 1.47%
three months 5 3.68%
this year, hopefully.. 20 14.71%
in two weeks 42 30.88%
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:16 PM
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@furbs

You mentioned that "openness" of the ROF team vs Maddox Games. Let me make a small correction to that: they became that way after 777 Studios and Jason especially took over the management and community liaison. Before neoqb were just as close-mouthed, evasive and hung up on trashy salesman phrases as UBI in their worst times. I remember trying to get a straight answer out of Viks about their intial DRM and all I got were standard phrases which were more evasive than telling.
It's Jason and only him and his people who have salvaged what I considered a grossly mishandeled release and news policy not worth the title and turned it into a working game and a working relationship with the community.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:27 PM
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Then i stand corrected Cthor. cheers.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:36 PM
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So if you had a child that was underperforming in life you would go about correcting it by beasting on them with constant criticism?
No. First I would remove those people that keep saying everything is fine from having too much influence, so at least the child can gain an accurate view of what it is that needs improving. And I would try and keep it reasonably factual and point out what could be improved, how, and what is realistically do-able given the time and resources available.

Secondly, Luthier et al are not children, as far as I know.

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yet when I use your own method to correct your failing in life you expect me to be quiet
you can post what you like, how you like, and when you like. Which appears to be melodramatic, melodramatically, and roundabout now. I have my views, but you instantly wanted to pick a quarrel, initially based on my being new to the forum. Which, what, automatically invalidates any criticism?

The thing is, so much of this is about secondary personality stuff, and it shouldn't be. That is what it gets reduced to - it is a trap that the critics so ften, myself included, perhaps fall into.

I realise the Mods would prefer some upbeat positive views. But here, as in life, that isn't always possible. If there is some good news, I will be sure n' post a semantic equivalent to a grinning rictus

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Old 01-21-2012, 05:40 PM
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>>So if you had a child that was underperforming in life you would go about correcting it by beasting on them with constant criticism? <<

No. First I would remove those people that keep saying everything is fine from having too much influence, so at least the child can gain an accurate view of what it is that needs improving. And I would try and keep it reasonably factual and point out what coule be improved, how, and what is realistically do-able given the time and resources available.

Secondly, Luthier et al are not children, as far as I know. So, a daft comparison.

positive encouragement doesn't factor?

>>yet when I use your own method to correct your failing in life you expect me to be quiet. <<

you can what you like, how you like, and when you like. Which appears to be melodramatic, melodramatically, and roundabout now.

The thing is, so much of this is about secondary personality stuff. Please stick to the game in hand/issue at hand/foot in mouth/whatever.

I realise the Mods would prefer some upbeat positive views. But here, as in life, that isn't always possible. If there is some good news, I will be sure n' post a semantic equivalent to a grinning rictus
I'd love to be able to take a single word you say seriously, your tone almost fools me into thinking there are a few synapses firing, but then I remember that you are incapable of taking your own advice and also incapable of solving a very simple problem.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:46 PM
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And so it goes...the joyless last resort of those without any real arguments to make....'is you still here?'.

Brilliant

In fact, I Pm'ed the Mod again to ask if my account can be killed.

You can then resume your luke-warm supper of cold turkey.

I'm not sure where 'non-firing synapses' figure in the internet book of standard insults but I can guess it is reasonably to the middle, and all the more unexciting for that.

I would say that you are your type are the biggest single problem here, and contribute to holding the game back, in reality. But you cannot see it. That is a shame.
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And so it goes...the joyless last resort of those without any real arguments to make....'is you still here?'.

Brilliant

In fact, I Pm'ed the Mod again to ask if my account can be killed.

You can then resume your luke-warm supper of cold turkey.

I'm not sure where 'non-firing synapses' figure in the internet book of standard insults but I can guess it is reasonably to the middle, and all the more unexciting for that.

I would say that you are your type are the biggest single problem here, and contribute to holding the game back, in reality. But you cannot see it. That is a shame.


Just remove this site from your favorites list...seems easy...I should explain that I am neither for or against your opinion's. It's just that you don't have to remove your account, you could just not use it anymore if that's what you want...or just create a new account
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:16 PM
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Besides whining and negative criticism, you know what else kills game? Releasing something that is half finished. The time of release is the most crucial point for any game, and is the time when you want it to be as finished as possible. This is what review sites review, and negative reviews from the big review sites is what a lot of people wait for and base their purchase on.


Rise of Flight's beginning was also suspect because of the constant online connection DRM and the pay per plane model. Those 2 things turned off people at the start, and a lot of folks don't come back.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:07 PM
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And so it goes...the joyless last resort of those without any real arguments to make....'is you still here?'.
I made my argument quite clear, the tit-for-tat has been mutual, asking why youre still here is quite valid, you first post here (some whinge about 1C forum censorship) also included a request to be stricken from the forum membership, 21 posts later and you have failed to achieve that.

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You can then resume your luke-warm supper of cold turkey.
is it luke-warm or cold? are those synapses fading?

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I'm not sure where 'non-firing synapses' figure in the internet book of standard insults but I can guess it is reasonably to the middle, and all the more unexciting for that.
sorry can't help, never read it......I would ask you to lend it to me but I'm not impressed so far.

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I would say that you are your type are the biggest single problem here, and contribute to holding the game back, in reality. But you cannot see it. That is a shame.
you would and indeed have on several posts and I thank you for the laughs.
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