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[TomcatViP]

Nomad,

I don't know if your comment is meant to be provocative, but if you pay any attention to the plane in question you'd see that the answers are obvious.

The 110 is a big twin engined fighter with a much greater mass than your Spit.

In WWII all fighters had a fairly poor thrust to weight ratio (or power to weight (P/W)). This mean that the influence of gravity in any move is greater than that of your eng power. Ok if you hve been a Spit aficionados during IL2 years I understand that this is a bit complicated to understand now.

When you are diving and without considering the neg G cutout induced lag, you are in fact adding all the "power" of gravity to your engine thrust. It means that the heavier you are, the faster your acceleration will be this only impaired by the drag of your airframe.

Even WWII 4 engined bomber could shortly hoped away from a single engined fighter that way (usually the time for rear gunner to score some good hit).

Here that's what is happening when a 110 dive in front of you. His mass pull him away from you and until the difference in drag between your Spit and him got some influences.

With a term dive speed of around 640 (comfortable value), the 110 won't escape you. The trick for the 110 driver is then to alternate, push over, dive and straight path flight (usually I use a shallow climb once term vel is reached) to add time to the merge. Time meaning distance traveled to reach a safety spot on the map where help could be available (you are dragged).

I hope this have answered your question. What you see is only fairly logical.

There is no need for Spit IIa when a bit of brains activity is done.

[JG5_emil]

Not trying to inflame but can I ask if Spit II is currently on the ATAG server or not?

I am tempted to pop back for some online action after having given CLOD a break due to the CTD and other problems.

[MoGas]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

Not trying to inflame but can I ask if Spit II is currently on the ATAG server or not?

On the ATAG#1 where I fly she is not there right now.

[SNAFU]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Nomad,
When you are diving and without considering the neg G cutout induced lag, you are in fact adding all the "power" of gravity to your engine thrust. It means that the heavier you are, the faster your acceleration will be this only impaired by the drag of your airframe.

Huh, I always had the feeling that all the other ones travel on other geodesics in the spacetime... Well, but true Spits in 1946 had another gravity constant. ... but I hoped in CloD all the planes would be bound by more or less the same gravity.

Well, sorry for OT, just couldn´t resist to do a litte smart-a**ing...

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by SNAFU

Huh, I always had the feeling that all the other ones travel on other geodesics in the spacetime... Well, but true Spits in 1946 had another gravity constant. ... but I hoped in CloD all the planes would be bound by more or less the same gravity.

Well, sorry for OT, just couldn´t resist to do a litte smart-a**ing...

Yeah, gotta admit, that bit made me scratch my head a second.

If the 110 has more drag on it than a Spitfire, shouldn't it's dive acceleration be slower? All things being equal in drag, shouldn't their dive acceleration be equal?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Yeah, gotta admit, that bit made me scratch my head a second.

If the 110 has more drag on it than a Spitfire, shouldn't it's dive acceleration be slower? All things being equal in drag, shouldn't their dive acceleration be equal?

Depends on the mass behind it, really, and the 110 is not a light bird. A piano will undoubtly fall faster then a feather, despite the feather having much better drag characteristics then a piano.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Depends on the mass behind it, really, and the 110 is not a light bird. A piano will undoubtly fall faster then a feather, despite the feather having much better drag characteristics then a piano.

Well, it's really more of an air resistance to weight ratio thingy apparently (looked it up).

So if the greater bulk of the 110 compared to it's surface area resistance (drag? dunno) is a larger divide than that of the Spitfire, then it'll go faster in a dive, I guess.

Not my area I suppose. Air physics and such is very interesting stuff.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Well, it's really more of an air resistance to weight ratio thingy apparently (looked it up).

So if the greater bulk of the 110 compared to it's surface area resistance (drag? dunno) is a larger divide than that of the Spitfire, then it'll go faster in a dive, I guess.

Not my area I suppose. Air physics and such is very interesting stuff.

Not an expert myself, but yes, that is the direction it goes in.

That said, the Spitfire is not the wonderbird you make the impression of thinking it is, Fear Factor and the likes. I feel a bit of P51 syndrome going on here by making a few selective Luftwaffe pilots comments bout the Spit to be more then there is to it. But then again I belong to those 109/110 flyers who see no problem in Red utilizing the SpitII on servers.