Top speed Bf109G6 late vs La5FN @7000m

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

.. but I still feel she is more agile than G6AS.

The G6AS is a lighter aircraft AFAIR, and definitely more agile than than all G6s and later 109s.
If I remember correctly it's turning circle time is about 2 seconds less than the other 109s.

I specifically choose this aircraft online when up against Spits, Yak3s and LA5s.
Has less hitting power, requires sniping, but gives the 'allies' a real headache.. at least you get home

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by K_Freddie

The G6AS is a lighter aircraft AFAIR, and definitely more agile than than all G6s and later 109s.
If I remember correctly it's turning circle time is about 2 seconds less than the other 109s.

I specifically choose this aircraft online when up against Spits, Yak3s and LA5s.
Has less hitting power, requires sniping, but gives the 'allies' a real headache.. at least you get home

Not sure about more agile, however it does have MW50 and that extra power should let you sustain a higher rate of turn all else being equal.

At higher altitudes the G6as has performance approaching a K14 but turns like a G6. Its just a nice plane to fly.

[schnorchel]

Ok guys, as your suggestion, I did a comparsoin with L5F.
but G6 still can not fly away from it @7000m, L5f has 10km/h adavantage.
I doubt same thing would happen on climbrate comparsoin.
only 150kg and 2 bubbles can make such big difference?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

Ok guys, as your suggestion, I did a comparsoin with L5F.
but G6 still can not fly away from it @7000m, L5f has 10km/h adavantage.
I doubt same thing would happen on climbrate comparsoin.

Disagree.

Just did some tests cause i didn't believe it.

100% fuel, rads closed, Smolensk, La5f and Bf109G6 late, Stock 4.10.1. Speeds attained by getting to altitude and then accelerated up to top speed and holding for a min.

Here's the il2 compare data,



Bf109G6 late,



La5f



Both within a few of the il2 data, probably cause i used smolensk rather than crimea, but there still relative to each other.

only 150kg and 2 bubbles can make such big difference?

Probably, even things like a bullrt proof windscreen shave of 3-4 mph, 150 kg's is 2 light adults.....

[schnorchel]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Disagree.

Just did some tests cause i didn't believe it.

100% fuel, rads closed, Smolensk, La5f and Bf109G6 late, Stock 4.10.1. Speeds attained by getting to altitude and then accelerated up to top speed and holding for a min.

Here's the il2 compare data,



Bf109G6 late,



La5f



Both within a few of the il2 data, probably cause i used smolensk rather than crimea, but there still relative to each other.



Probably, even things like a bullrt proof windscreen shave of 3-4 mph, 150 kg's is 2 light adults.....

fruitbat,
you get similar result as mine. but what I said is the max speed that both plane can get without engine overheat.
I would like to say such Max speed is more useful in the combat. for sure G6 can get the top speed about 630km/h in few mintes. but after that she needs rad opena and throttle back. only 603 km/h she can get without overheat. but L5f can get 613-614km/h and never overheat with 110% throttle and Rad closed. such huge advantage cannot be ignored.

[WTE_Galway]

Overheating in older versions of IL2 was never a big issue as you got 6 minutes in overheat before damage occurred. Also any time you went out of overheat, even for a few seconds, the timer was reset and you got another 6 minutes before damage.

I recall being told the latest patch has changed that but I haven't tried it out.

[koivis]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Overheating in older versions of IL2 was never a big issue as you got 6 minutes in overheat before damage occurred. Also any time you went out of overheat, even for a few seconds, the timer was reset and you got another 6 minutes before damage.

I recall being told the latest patch has changed that but I haven't tried it out.

Actually, the time varies from plane to plane and is between 1 and 10 minutes. The opposite end being the MiG-3 and most US radial engine planes. This being said, this is still very much the way it works (as of 4.10.1m). The only addition in 4.10 is the small random reliability feature. For example, last week in Il-2 Air Racing this feature hit me twice. First, with Pe-2 I certainly returned to "engine: normal" within the time, and just after the next overheat message, the left engine "fried". In the LaGG-3 race, my engine fried right after start, no overheat message ever appeared.

Also, mostly because of this feature, the fastest way to get from point a to b, is not avoiding the overheat message. Just as WTE_Galway said, you have to cool the engine at lower power, and when returning to normal, put it back to full power... and repeat.

The 4.11 patch, however, will completely remove the concept of "overheat time". Instead, the condition of the engine will depend on the various temperatures (cylinder, oil, water).

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

fruitbat,
you get similar result as mine. but what I said is the max speed that both plane can get without engine overheat.
I would like to say such Max speed is more useful in the combat. for sure G6 can get the top speed about 630km/h in few mintes. but after that she needs rad opena and throttle back. only 603 km/h she can get without overheat. but L5f can get 613-614km/h and never overheat with 110% throttle and Rad closed. such huge advantage cannot be ignored.

Ok, i see what you mean by 'max speed', but this is only ever relevant if you running away.....

If the la5 is behind you at that height, then,

1) you've done something bad already (don't we all from time to time).

2) the la5f is a pretty good plane, the 109 g6late isn't particularly.

However, you can still easily get away from an la5f in a 109g6late at that height. Run full power to get a bit of separation, then shallow dive, the 109 can dive up to speeds of 850kph before breaking up, the la5f 710kph. Run for home, call for help, fight another day when you have the advantage.

I don't know why you think that the 109g6 should be able to turn the tables on a la5f if i the la5f is behind, if the pilots are equal the plane being chased needs a substantial advantage to reverse the roles. 10kph either way is nothing, pilot error can make more difference.

Besides they're changing all the overheat stuff in 4.11 so we'll what's what then.

Some people such as myself always thought it was a joke that you could run around in a 109 at 103% power rads open all day long.......

10kmh is not a huge advantage either.......

[schnorchel]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Some people such as myself always thought it was a joke that you could run around in a 109 at 103% power rads open all day long.......

10kmh is not a huge advantage either.......

So maybe you should think it was a big joke that la5f and la5fn could at 110% power Rad closed all day long above certain altitude(maybe 4000m, but I do not remeber the exact munber here)?

[TinyTim]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

fruitbat,
for sure G6 can get the top speed about 630km/h in few mintes. but after that she needs rad opena and throttle back. only 603 km/h she can get without overheat. but L5f can get 613-614km/h and never overheat with 110% throttle and Rad closed. such huge advantage cannot be ignored.

Why not? Any supporting evidence that this is not how it should be? Are you implying both planes should have identical overheating characteristics (despite having vastly different engines let alone cooling systems)?

Don't get me wrong but this is like saying: "Ki-27 can turn much tighter than P-47, such huge advantage cannot be ignored."