SPIT MK I/II and over boost

[Faustnik]

Thats a great stat Al Schlageter!

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drewpee,

I like the Spit 1s and the 109E1s but, by favorite is any version of Hurri! Stability is the answer. When radiators are fixed, CoD will be a whole realistic sim.

[TomcatViP]

The prob with the kind of comment you hve posted Schlag is that you think that history is your and we are the bad guys.

We are not here to CASTRATE ?!:!! the RAF. We love the RAF as much as you seems to do. Just keep in mind that adulation is way out of purpose when it come to deal with history. You need to step down and look at the overall pic you'"ll see that the three is not the forest and things are more complicated.

Anyhow it will be nice if you and alike stop posting this insulting comments. The 1940 RAF does not belong to you no matter how loud you say it over our faces.

Thx in advance

[csThor]

Apparently the "Deutschland über alles" types have their evil twins in the "Britannia rule the waves" types.

I have to agree with BlackDog - some people don't discuss, they try to run over their discussion partners like a steamroller in order to put their particular idea about history over everyone else. And people wonder why some of us prefer offline?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by csThor

Apparently the "Deutschland über alles" types have their evil twins in the "Britannia rule the waves" types.

I have to agree with BlackDog - some people don't discuss, they try to run over their discussion partners like a steamroller in order to put their particular idea about history over everyone else. And people wonder why some of us prefer offline?

I know where you can get crying towels at a great discount.

[csThor]

Which is precisely what I was talking about. You want to be taken seriously? Then start acting like a responsible adult capable of serious discussion instead of slinging mud at everyone who's interested in discussion instead of "Because I say so" type statements.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by csThor

Which is precisely what I was talking about. You want to be taken seriously? Then start acting like a responsible adult capable of serious discussion instead of slinging mud at everyone who's interested in discussion instead of "Because I say so" type statements.

I think the some RAF fliers are done with that Thor. What we see now is a reaction because the last series was spoiled by individuals with an agenda and the devs bent over. This time, with more detail and with the same old hands more educated in terms of flying and historical knowledge, we see the Spit drivers stand up because they don't want it to happen again. Already we have some calling the Spitfire a UFO - these people can go to hell. I notice that these types never seem to mention the horrendous DM of the 109 though, for example.

I think I speak for practically all of the RAF jockeys when I say that I want accuracy even at the expense of the RAF, I hate to see this very vocal minority do the rest of us such a dis-service.

What are these types going to do when the DM is patched? They'll piss and moan rather than realise that they aren't super-pilots and need to fly a different way.

[ElAurens]

It's called the "big lie" Osprey.

Repeat the same misinformantion often enough, and loud enough, and it will eventually be accepted as truth.

At least on gamer forums like this.

On real historical aviation forums this kind of behavior usually results in being laughed off the forum, or an outright ban.

Right Issy?

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Osprey

I think the some RAF fliers are done with that Thor. What we see now is a reaction because the last series was spoiled by individuals with an agenda and the devs bent over. This time, with more detail and with the same old hands more educated in terms of flying and historical knowledge, we see the Spit drivers stand up because they don't want it to happen again. Already we have some calling the Spitfire a UFO - these people can go to hell. I notice that these types never seem to mention the horrendous DM of the 109 though, for example.

I think I speak for practically all of the RAF jockeys when I say that I want accuracy even at the expense of the RAF, I hate to see this very vocal minority do the rest of us such a dis-service.

What are these types going to do when the DM is patched? They'll piss and moan rather than realise that they aren't super-pilots and need to fly a different way.

See it this way: Back in the Il-2 days Oleg Maddox was accused of having no patriotism for making german aircraft too good vs the soviet types by the russian communities while he was accused of making the soviet types too good and the germans too bad by the germans. Oh and he was also accused of being a "damned commie" by the US community and of not having the slightest idea about history by the RAF fans because some types never made it into the game. So if everyone complained there must have been something right with the game ...

I think it is a bit far fetched to say that the RAF types are modeled the way they are because of the lobbying of a few loud people. That gives them much more influence than they really have. But ...
It's one thing to vehemently defend the evidence or documents which point to the RAF using 100 octane fuel for its fighter squadrons (which I, as a LW-centered player with an avid interest in military history agree with). But I have also seen several discussions being more or less successfully derailed by the same outspoken RAF fans once the subject of german performance, and especially the question of the DB 601N equipped types, was mentioned. People may have their personal interests, that's fine and normal, but it must absolutely not lead to them wearing blinders and red/blue-tinted glasses which doesn't allow them to be impartial anymore. Being a fan is one thing, being a fanatic is another.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by csThor

Apparently the "Deutschland über alles" types have their evil twins in the "Britannia rule the waves" types.

I have to agree with BlackDog - some people don't discuss, they try to run over their discussion partners like a steamroller in order to put their particular idea about history over everyone else. And people wonder why some of us prefer offline?

I challenge anyone to produce any source stating that any BofB Hurricane or Spitfire flew even a single combat sortie with 87 octane fuel. This isn't about promoting one side or the other, but is all about historical accuracy.

Abundant evidence has been produced showing that there was more than enough 100 octane fuel available for all front line Fighter Command squadrons, but if 87 octane was used along with 100 octane, then there should be references to it in memoirs, pilot combat reports and historical accounts, and yet no such evidence has ever been produced.

It is time for those who claim that 87 octane was used by front-line RAF FC units during the BofB to produce positive evidence for their claims, or to retract those claims.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Seadog

I challenge anyone to produce any source stating that any BofB Hurricane or Spitfire flew even a single combat sortie with 87 octane fuel.

Yaaaawn.

After years of trying to dig up everything in the archieve and still not a single paper saying that 100 octane replaced existing 87 octane in all Squadrons/Stations has been found. Not one paper. I'd say it's a sign. We had the same drama about 150 grade fuel years ago.

There's not one paper noting anything the like, and the people who were desperate to find some are extremely careful to only show snippets of the relevant papers. Some has even went as far manipulating the evidence. Time and time again they have been asked to share the fiels publicly, but they refuse, and keep posting the same papers that says selected units have been supplied, and nothing more.

Then it usually takes a bizarre turn, and since they can't prove what they want to be true, and getting frustrated, given the complete absence of supporting evidence, suddenly everyone else has to prove they are wrong.

It always reminds me of this classic scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc