SPIT MK I/II and over boost

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Osprey

I don't understand your argument. You are saying that it doesn't do anything unless the engine is modified to use the higher grade, which it was. So we agree.

I don't think we agree. Do you even know what the octane number measures? I'll give you a hint: It's not related to the energy density of the fuel. If you had an engine that was designed for 87 octane and put 100 octane in it instead, nothing would happen. 100 octane fuel does not give you more power or fuel efficiency than 87 octane does.

I bothered with some screenies to show what I meant with 1946 though.

What does any of this have to do with 1946? Are you trying to show that the G-2 was overmodeled? Congratulations! Nobody's ever suggested that was the case before!

Please tell me IL2 compare doesn't actually work.

Why would I do that? AFAIK you're the only one who's mentioned IL2 compare.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I don't think we agree. Do you even know what the octane number measures? I'll give you a hint: It's not related to the energy density of the fuel. If you had an engine that was designed for 87 octane and put 100 octane in it instead, nothing would happen. 100 octane fuel does not give you more power or fuel efficiency than 87 octane does.

The point is the following: If you use 87 octane fuel you are not allowed to apply a higher boost than +6.25, if 100 octane fuel is used the maximum allowed boost is +12.

Thus 100 octane fuel doesn't give you more power directly, however it allows you to apply more boost - which will give you more power.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The point is the following: If you use 87 octane fuel you are not allowed to apply a higher boost than +6.25, if 100 octane fuel is used the maximum allowed boost is +12.

Thus 100 octane fuel doesn't give you more power directly, however it allows you to apply more boost - which will give you more power.

Exactly, and I even spelled that out for him in the reply which he then quoted. Wierd.

[TomcatViP]

Juts to remind the expert here that the Spit I/II (especially the II) hve UFO flight model for now.

They can run away if you dive on them
Past you at 450 and turn 180 to engage the fight that you want to deny running flat out straight
Turn indefinitely at 90 bank angle
Hve a nose up attitude that will make shy a dolphin in a marine park (yuck yuck)
ETc.. etc..

Let's start at the beginning. 100 octane fuel was not candies FC give away to Fighter pilots !

[SEE]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Juts to remind the expert here that the Spit I/II (especially the II) hve UFO flight model for now.

They can run away if you dive on them
Past you at 450 and turn 180 to engage the fight that you want to deny running flat out straight
Turn indefinitely at 90 bank angle
Hve a nose up attitude that will make shy a dolphin in a marine park (yuck yuck)
ETc.. etc..

Let's start at the beginning. 100 octane fuel was not candies FC give away to Fighter pilots !

Here we go again! I suggest you fly behind Mk.MrX in his BF - he doesn't seem to have problems with any of the Allied ac despite the fact he considers the Spit Mk2 has having an unfair advantage. Unfortunately it did if you read LW pilot accounts - but I guess they are wrong too as is every other piece of evidence posted.


I have been cutting my teeth on the Bfs - nice WEP - and you can engage it continually - a bit like the boost on the SpitMk2 that you are always complaining about. Adolph Galland had very high respect for the Spits....I wonder why when I read your posts.

[ElAurens]

I would invite anyone that flys blue to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft, doesn't matter which one, for a month, and then get back to me about how "undermodeled" the Bf 109 E4 is.

But then this is a dream, because it will not allow them to pad their stats for an entire month...

[CWMV]

Dude, facts are facts. Numbers don't lie.

[CaptainDoggles]

edit: never mind.

This thread reminds me of why I hate this community.

[MoGas]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I would invite anyone that flys blue to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft, doesn't matter which one, for a month, and then get back to me about how "undermodeled" the Bf 109 E4 is.

But then this is a dream, because it will not allow them to pad their stats for an entire month...

I did, and ended up like a pitching idiot, that my 109 just runs away, negative rolls back to France, until help or whatever arrives lol, speaking about SpitI and Ia.

As usual outnumberd and BnZ by fancy 109`s against MKI, (dont get me rong, I found this funny too, when flying 109`s) my switch to Spitfires, was simple the challenge to fly against fast good climbing and strong armed 109`s.

With a slow and not good climbing Spit (Hurries pull away just easy, never knew that the Hurrie is faster then a SpitIa)with a nice neg-cutout on the engine (but Luthier forgot to add the redouts), plus the fancy 303cal. (I am not saying the 303cal is rong, its clear it is not a 50cal.)

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On the otherhand, I flew SpitII aswell now, against good 109 people, and you perform the 109 tactic on 109`s, outrun, outclimb, BnZ, re-engage, when situation is allowing. And finally you get bad comments, from the enemys point of view.

I blame Luthier and his team, for this kind of storys....

[xnomad]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I would invite anyone that flys blue to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft, doesn't matter which one, for a month, and then get back to me about how "undermodeled" the Bf 109 E4 is.

But then this is a dream, because it will not allow them to pad their stats for an entire month...

This is exactly why I've been flying the Spit a lot online. In fact I've hardly flown the 109 lately and I'm a huge 109 fan. The reason is that the CEM is more complex and challenging in the Spit. You can fly the 109 on full throttle all day and engage WEP whenever you want without a risk.

The Spit really struggles against the 109 and especially if you have to climb to meet them, you end up just cooking the engine. It's not fair as the 109 pilots don't have to worry about their engines unless they are negligent with the prop pitch in a dive.

It's true there is just not enough love from the devs for the Spit. I want the 109 drivers who fly full throttle to be punished too. It's just not realistic caning your engine for the entire mission.!