The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[SaQSoN]

No matter, how dubious NG position in this question is, the only way to prove, they are wrong and set clear this issue is to take NG to court (or, at least, threated them to do so). Which would require quite noticeable fees to the lawyers. ATM neither Ubi, or 1C are willing to invest into resolving this issue. So, unless someone is willing to take this expenses and all other related hustle on him/herself, any further discussion of the NG issue is pointless.

Which concludes that as follows: there will be no NG products included into official add-ons whatsoever.

[Krt_Bong]

It might be wishful thinking but there are already some mod Models of some of these planes and though they might not be Official it doesn't mean we can't get them and install them in our game and I think there is nothing NG could do about it. If as you say it was signed and contracted well then they have my sympathy because I fully believe UBI could have rebuffed them but they let Oleg swing in the wind instead. I'm just venting, I know that there are games out there that have quasi representations of things that are not licensed, cars specifically where some small detail is changed like the shape of a tail light but it is rather obvious that it is supposed to represent say a Corvette but instead they call it a Chivy Cheetah and I realize that they didn't want to pay to have it, it is after all just an animated picture. It might be a pointless argument but that never stopped us from having arguments before in internet forums we just like to give some invective on the ridiculousness of it all and dream of sticking it to the big evil corporation, just sayin'

[norulz]

I would eliminate NG products from the game. I would put german planes in their place and if a kid asks why? I would tell him that this is the history. Without blinking. This should have been done in that week before release of PF. Sure people would have been unhappy but this way the krappola damaged NG big time on the long run.

[ElAurens]

Nothing we do could hurt NG.

NOTHING.

Methinks you wildly overestimate the importance of gamers in the great scheme of things.

A "six figure" amount to NG is mere pocket change, unlike what it is to Maddox Games.

They wanted to set a precedent, and they selected the weakest kid on the block to pick a fight with. Now they can hold IL2 up as an example to the really big kids, EA, Sony, etc... and say, see, pay us the royalty or you end up like those Russians did. And the big console game makers just write a check and move along because they are swimming in money compared to a PC devloper like Maddox Games.

[HarryM]

I guess we're lucky that we got as many Wildcat and Hellcat variants as we did in the original release. Pity about a flyable TBF and Enterprise/Hornet CV's.

[Adhocrat]

I think the Il-2 community should take a stand. Join me in boycotting all Northrop-Grumman products. If ever you're procuring aircraft for your nation's armed forces, buy Boeing or BAe or Airbus Militarie or Sukhoi instead. Who's with me?

[Viking]

Originally Posted by Adhocrat

I think the Il-2 community should take a stand. Join me in boycotting all Northrop-Grumman products. If ever you're procuring aircraft for your nation's armed forces, buy Boeing or BAe or Airbus Militarie or Sukhoi instead. Who's with me?

At least the free world outside the Nato is planing in something like that. But it will be some time before they see the result as the papercurrecy is still surprisingly strong.
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Viking

[tk471138]

listen to all the slaves talking about "legal" points...and needing courts to made decisions for them seriously....why would a company in russia even care what a company in the usa says...i mean is the us going to send in special forces to get these guys to go to court?? i mean if a russian company told a us company they could not use their stuff, you think the us company would care....seriously how does one compel someone in a foreign SOVEREIGN nation to come to their court...i know i wouldnt go to a french court a british court or any other court...they would have to kill me first...(and that is after i killed a few of them in the process of trying) sure let them sue see how far they get....they try and extradite you...defend your self and if that means using violence then so be it...



second i support violent revolution against the us govt and the western establishment...you want to hurt NG use violence...that is the ONLY way....

[SaQSoN]

Oh, boy...

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by tk471138

listen to all the slaves talking about "legal" points...and needing courts to made decisions for them seriously....why would a company in russia even care what a company in the usa says...i mean is the us going to send in special forces to get these guys to go to court?? i mean if a russian company told a us company they could not use their stuff, you think the us company would care....seriously how does one compel someone in a foreign SOVEREIGN nation to come to their court...i know i wouldnt go to a french court a british court or any other court...they would have to kill me first...(and that is after i killed a few of them in the process of trying) sure let them sue see how far they get....they try and extradite you...defend your self and if that means using violence then so be it...



second i support violent revolution against the us govt and the western establishment...you want to hurt NG use violence...that is the ONLY way....

Oh you fierce internet warrior.