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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 12-24-2011, 05:30 AM
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Well I'm feeling pretty positive about things and I really don't see where all the negativity is coming from.

Facts....

1. We are getting a sequel, and that is a very good thing. Let's not forget how much we NEED this sim to live on and develop...just like IL2. No one else is going to give us what we crave for with such exquisite detail.

2. CloD will continue to be patched and I'm sure some very nice improvements will arrive in short order.

3. CloD will be reborn when merged with the new title....all the new goodies will magically be available to us to use in the skies over the channel. That is fantastic news...although I didn't doubt that's the way it would be done.

4. The BoM release will be hugely popular with the home market and I'm sure many over here will snap it up too - lots of lovely ground pounding and hopefully vast areas to fly over due to the sparse object density. That's got to be a good thing for the series with a fresh cash injection to make it even better.


I really fail to see why so many are on such a downer? The game will improve and the future looks bright. Just look what they did with the sounds. Now imagine the same job applied to the graphics, FM, AI.......

What we paid for this is NOTHING, ZILCH, DIDDLY SQUAT....compared to what we willingly fork out for PC, joystick etc. Just look how much you can spend on TrackIR alone! Let's get this in perspective before ranting on like it's a defective 30 grand BMW.

Please, give the guys a break and start appreciating what we have and what they're trying to give us (if we let them). Support them. They really are on our side. I'm a programmer and I know how much blood and sweat you have to put into such complex software. It really is incredibly hard to produce something like CloD and with a community like ours it's a real thankless task.

As my favourite character would say...have a little faith baby, have a little faith.
This is how I see it exactly.

Consider this: What if 1C would stop the flight sim development altogether and switched to developing more mass appealing and more lucrative games partly because too demaning crowd and too niche to get moneys worth of effort.

Way I see this CloD and sequels, we are on a similiar evolving path like we had on IL-2, generally every development step forward were benefical to previous instalment of the product and completed the overall simulation to be more perfect.

1C is not the main stream "burger game" developer like Call of Duty developer with gazzillions of resources. They have to allocate the scarce resources they have to develop things which have most bang for the buck to step forward on the big picture to be more complete air warfare simulation.

I'm affaid this takes time and lot of patience on us the customers to wait the completion or even the intermediate steps to get implemented.

I wish you all very relaxing and merry X-mas!
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:43 AM
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Thanks for the updates B6 and Luthier, (and your further clarifications Ilya) . I am quite positive about the future of the sim after reading your messages and really don't understand much of the negativity. Each to their own I guess.

Have a Merry Xmas all.
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Old 12-24-2011, 06:55 AM
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This is how I see it exactly.

Consider this: What if 1C would stop the flight sim development altogether and switched to developing more mass appealing and more lucrative games partly because too demaning crowd and too niche to get moneys worth of effort.

Way I see this CloD and sequels, we are on a similiar evolving path like we had on IL-2, generally every development step forward were benefical to previous instalment of the product and completed the overall simulation to be more perfect.
Agree. I believe the game engine will continue to improve step by step, sequel after sequel. But implementing all those improvements takes money so fixing this first step of the series can continue only so long. So I think this latest update is good news for people who are interested in the long series (the new IL2), but maybe bad news for those who are interested in CoD as individual game only.
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Old 12-24-2011, 07:05 AM
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I'd be more comfortable if they called BoM DLC instead of a sequel and also charged for it as such.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:13 AM
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sorry for my question, but BOM is battle of Moskow ? and this will be an add on of Cliff of Dover?

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Old 12-24-2011, 09:21 AM
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sorry for my question, but BOM is battle of Moskow ? and this will be an add on of Cliff of Dover?

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Ciao Ivo, yes BoM is Battle of Moscow. Not an add of but an independent game which can be merged with CoD, as Pacific Fighters with Forgotten Battles was.
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I swear that Iwill buy the collector's edition of BoM, the very day it will be available ... I'd love the revised and improved Il2 ....Yippee!
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:44 AM
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I swear that Iwill buy the collector's edition of BoM, the very day it will be available ... I'd love the revised and improved Il2 ....Yippee!
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I swear that Iwill buy the collector's edition of BoM, the very day it will be available ... I'd love the revised and improved Il2 ....Yippee!
I'll buy it as soon as it comes available, but i've got massively reduced expectations as to what it will actually be like. I'm personally hoping that it won't crash all the time, and that menus will keep working. Everything else will be a bonus.

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Old 12-24-2011, 06:54 PM
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Consider this: What if 1C would stop the flight sim development altogether and switched to developing more mass appealing and more lucrative games partly because too demaning crowd and too niche to get moneys worth of effort.
They would be out of business in 3 days after the launch, because other game genre customers would in no way stomach a game released in a state like CoD.

Not they are doing us a favor by working on a ww2 flight sim, but we are doing them a favor for buying and supporting a game in such a state.

I'm sorry, but I'm sure BoM will be in a similar state at its launch, with tons of bugs and broken features too. And you can quote me on it!

I really-really hope I'll be proven wrong, because i do love ww2 (flight) sims, but.. time will tell

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